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Some would consider this enforcement, which is not the same as retaliation.
How so ? They are pulling access to all platforms including desktop, also unreal is sdk/library used by ton of third parties , all of them are impacted too
Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th
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Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th
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Why? It's one of the only things that you can get in trouble for without even knowing it was there. You could have taken them yourself or your children, did, it's seen in your house and they assume it's yours, now you can have a big lawsuit. With the quality of cameras and common usage of them I see a huge problem looming. It's used to plant investigations on innocent people. It's turned innocent people into jobless…
Sure. I don't think you should be arrested or put on the sex offenders list for taking / possessing a picture of yourself as a minor. I think it's clear from context that this is not what RMS was referring to, and I don't think your strawman argument is helpful.
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>And closing the account is retaliation. What good is a terms of use if that use cannot be rescinded upon breaching the terms?
Implicit in your question is that the terms are valid. Epic will make the case that they’re not. And if they succeed, then the terms will be worth nothing, and Apple would have to explain why they go around signing illegal agreements that for example allow them to punch people in the face. If Epic fails, then yeah, the legal terms say for example that the punishment for what Epic did is a punch in the face, and Apple…
What law would you claim disallows limiting payment systems?
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You seem to have trouble understanding the difference between network usage and distribution . If I give you a CD with nginx, I'm distributing it. If I send you a .tar.gz with nginx, I'm distributing it. If I bring up nginx on a server, put some HTML files in the webroot, and give you a URL to it, I am not distributing nginx. I am merely using nginx, and offering you a service using nginx. I am not offering nginx its…
This kind of sillyness of calling AGPL a contract is incorrect because it assumes that copyright law only care about distribution. It does not. It is an copyright offence to perform any of the following acts without permission of the owner: Copy the work. Rent, lend or issue copies of the work to the public. Perform, broadcast or show the work in public. *Adapt the work.* A person who take a copyrighted software and…
While it is true that copyright protects the right to create derivative works, that is, in practice, usually applied to creating such derivative works and distributing them. Otherwise, scribbling with a pen on a book you bought would be a copyright violation.
Similarly, while technically running a program requires copying it into memory (and thus requires a license), no court in this day and age is likely to rule that running software which was acquired legally, but which does not come with a license to run it, is a copyright violation.
Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th
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> Am I only not dying of thirst because I agreed to the terms offered by the local water company? It is if they have a monopoly on water. Imagine their terms were manifestly unreasonable. If you want water service you'll have to pay $50,000/year. What would you do? If the answer is that it's reasonable to dig a well or something like that, they haven't got a monopoly. If the answer is to pay the $50,000/year because…
Right, and as discussed in this thread and others, Apple does not have a smartphone monopoly under any remotely reasonable definition of the term.
If there actually was competition between app stores then you could put your app on Google Play and people with iPhones could get it there. People with PlayStations could get it there. They would be the same market so that you could use one app store instead of another to reach the same customers, rather than needing to be in all of them in order for your product to be available to all of your customers.
It's like the water company having a local water monopoly, you're not allowed to dig a well, and your proposed solution is to move out of their service area. Which is not only unreasonable, it doesn't even work if you're the water source because your business is to provide water to customers in every service area.
Which is why in real life, water utilities are considered monopolies and are regulated as such so that they can't impose unreasonable terms on providing water service.
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> because it was pretty plain to everyone else that it _was_ wrong. I think you’re relying heavily on hindsight here. Yes it’s obvious to us looking in from the outside, but thinking back to any large events/conferences I’ve been at, especially if alcohol was involved, if somebody pretended to be willing because they were coerced to do so, I’m not sure it would have been so obvious and it’s easy to get caught up in t…
Fair enough regarding the word twisting. So you figure 73 year old Minsky was on this plane or whatever, a highschooler offers to have sex with him and he just figured, what, she was caught up in the heat of passion? Maybe high schoolers offer to have sex with him in the normal course of his geriatric affairs? I think you’re still not really being honest by trying to construct some scenario where Minsky could have no…
No, I meant he might have been caught up in the moment and ignore his better judgement. Also, I dunno about you, but I iften find it very dificult to tell the difference between a somewhat mature looking highscooler and someone who is 19 — 21 ish. Of course, I also don’t have sex with people in that age group, but my point is that its often very hard to tell if someone is late teens ir early twenties, so, again, in the heat of the moment, especially with alcohol or other substances, its not hard to think that she’s young, but not underage.
I’ve been in plenty of situations where there were “groupies” willing to sleep with much older guys because of fame or oerceuved money or power, where nothing nefarious was going on. So, no, I don’t think its a stretch at all that he could have thought this. I obviously have no idea what the reality was in thus particular situation; neither of us know what Minsky was or wasn’t thinking. I’ve also heard reports that withesses said he turned her down, but I can’t find anything to back that up now, so could be BS.
I’m not saying he’s innocent, he could have been completely willful in the situation, but I do not believe its a 100% clear that he’s definitely guilty either.
And in the context of RMS, I think what he said, in context, wasn’t particularly unreasonable. I think people should have challenged his views and had a conversation like we’re doing, instead if twisting his words to tell a false narrative because they don’t like him and wanted an excuse to attack him.
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> Apple opened up game development No, Apple II already had game devs selling stuff by mail without paying Apple 30%, in a much more open way.
Who cares about that? Steve Wozniak also gave away the design for free at first, does that mean that apple has no copyright protection on their computers?
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No. It's not a requirement on users anymore than the GPL requiring you to distribute corresponding source on CDs was a requirement on users. Morally and legally, the distribution medium does not make a difference. When you make the software available over the network you are no longer the user -- the users of the software over the network are the users. When you convey the software over the network you are a network…
You seem to have trouble understanding the difference between network usage and distribution . If I give you a CD with nginx, I'm distributing it. If I send you a .tar.gz with nginx, I'm distributing it. If I bring up nginx on a server, put some HTML files in the webroot, and give you a URL to it, I am not distributing nginx. I am merely using nginx, and offering you a service using nginx. I am not offering nginx its…
Does it make sense now?
Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th
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The problem is that most people know nothing about software distribution, signatures etc etc, and would become an easy target for fishers That doesn't sound like my problem, or, frankly, yours. If you create an environment where careless people never experience the consequences of their carelessness, then rest assured, you won't get fewer careless people or less careless behavior as a result. You will get more of bot…
> careless people They are not careless, they are uneducated on topic. Are you advocating for finishing FDA and drug regulation, because if people bought wrong drugs, it's their carelessness and consequences are just? That's nonsense. Historian should not know much about computers, just like me, a computer guy, should not know much about drugs. If there is a company allowing safe computing, which Apple is, people are…
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