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Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by grawprog »

three_seagrass wrote: post #633
SilasX wrote: post #582

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At risk of nitpicking, why do say "controls" rather than e.g. "services" or "handles"? When you say "controls" it's like you're saying Google has some kind of monopoly power that makes it hard to switch. And yet anyone can easily switch to e.g. DuckDuckGo. If that's a monopoly, it's not quite the kind of a monopoly we should generally be worried about. Browsers would be a different issue. In that case, there are netw…

This is the perennial discussion on HN as HN'ers get popularity confused with monopoly. I get the anti-Google sentiment but outside of the Play services agreements that Google got dinged for with Android manufacturers, they're not being anti-competitive. If Google were to block search results to DuckDuckGo for example, that would be monopolistic and warrant antitrust action. As it is now, Google isn't blocking compet…

As of some recent update on the ps4, at least since january, I am unable to enter any text on duckduckgo's search bar in the built in browser. The keyboard pops up briefly then vanishes. It likely works with an external keyboard, but the onscreen one refuses to appear. Google's search bar work's fine, the PlayStation's built in search works fine(but uses google), in site search engines powered by google work fine. But I have been unable to use duckduckgo on the ps4 since at least then.

I was capable of doing this before and regularly did. But, from what i've been able to tell, my web searches must all go through google now, either through the built in search feature or the browser.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by chillacy »

manigandham wrote: post #674
root_axis wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if moderation of hate speech is part of the product?

How do you moderate something you can't define?

> I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.

Hasn't stopped the government from moderating other things that can't be defined crisply.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by jvolkman »

grawprog wrote: post #921
three_seagrass wrote: post #633

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the perennial discussion on HN as HN'ers get popularity confused with monopoly. I get the anti-Google sentiment but outside of the Play services agreements that Google got dinged for with Android manufacturers, they're not being anti-competitive. If Google were to block search results to DuckDuckGo for example, that would be monopolistic and warrant antitrust action. As it is now, Google isn't blocking compet…

As of some recent update on the ps4, at least since january, I am unable to enter any text on duckduckgo's search bar in the built in browser. The keyboard pops up briefly then vanishes. It likely works with an external keyboard, but the onscreen one refuses to appear. Google's search bar work's fine, the PlayStation's built in search works fine(but uses google), in site search engines powered by google work fine. Bu…

What about bing?

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by fermienrico »

natestemen wrote: post #735
envy2 wrote: post #239

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Except YouTube is blocked in China, so no one really should be trying to solve this to begin with...

people read/write chinese outside of China though...

Why do we have to kowtow to them or even the Chinese government?

If someone says "Fuck the US government", we allow that on Youtube, don't we?

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by chillacy »

PostOnce wrote: post #904
buboard wrote: post #182

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There s no “we” in the IT community, theres the “well funded groupthink” and “the sea of the unknowns”. When did the IT band together to achieve something?

Plenty of times, see the entire open source movement or the cypherpunks, or the browser wars in which Firefox was a major competitor, there must be tons of examples.

I'm not quite sure the "we" encompasses a majority in all of these examples... especially the "browser wars" where firefox users are a definite minority (compared to IE users). But maybe you mean "we" as in "we the resistance" or something. After all the engineers Microsoft hired to build up IE were also part of the IT world.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by arduanika »

exo-pla-net wrote: post #320

YouTube filtering slurs and hateful memes is not surprising. They would target anything that gets spammed and reduces the quality of discourse (such as it is on YouTube). I see no evidence that China is getting any special treatment here. It was the subject of hateful spam, so now it gets a filter. Same would apply to any other country or topic. From my perspective, the absolutist "freedom of speech"/anti-censorship…

You have quite an expansive definition of slur!

It's an insult to every anti-racist, anti-bigotry campaign in history to say that any political party should get to hide behind this kind of crybaby b.s. -- much less a party that operates concentration camps. Or are they, too, "people simply trying to keep the room clean" in your book?

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by [deleted] »

gabaix wrote: post #63

Youtube is in a tough spot. They will be blamed: - if they don't take down speech some consider hateful - if they take down speech some do not consider hateful 共匪 is seen as an insult by a group, but others do not. If Youtube bans nothing, then hate speech thrives and they get bad PR. If Youtube bans anything anyone flags as hate speech, then they become de facto as censorship agents for foreign powers. Anything crit…

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Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by jhvkjhk »

buckminstrix wrote: post #197
cbilson wrote: post #137

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Actually, this is more like: “In other news, you are in China now.” I don’t care that much about how Chinese citizens let their 共肥 party censor them, but it’s not ok when I am being censored for speech that could be considered offensive to the communist party of China.

Nope. Well, sort of , but not really. It's more like. You are on Earth now. All the big govs work together at the highest levels. The whole nationalistic shtick is for us proles down here in the bleachers, working the boilers, eating scraps. You know, like entertainment? Something to get all excited about, like. And all govs control info. Democracies just pretend they don't (they do it covertly, through narrative con…

Your reply sounds crazy, like a conspiracy. I don't want to believe it, but I have to admit this helps to explain something, you gave me a fresh and interesting view to think about the narrative.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by asabjorn »

gabaix wrote: post #63

Youtube is in a tough spot. They will be blamed: - if they don't take down speech some consider hateful - if they take down speech some do not consider hateful 共匪 is seen as an insult by a group, but others do not. If Youtube bans nothing, then hate speech thrives and they get bad PR. If Youtube bans anything anyone flags as hate speech, then they become de facto as censorship agents for foreign powers. Anything crit…

Douglas Murray said it well [1]:

TLDR; the problem is that the tech companies have been flooded with people of a particular political kind after their political factions lost. They went to Facebook and google bringing strong convictions with them.

They try to deal with things like hate without having thought deeply about it. What’s the next human emotion you’ll try to eradicate? Lustfulness? Gluttony? Envy? A war on pride?

Once you’ve decided you’ll take on the self appointed task of eradicating hate you’ll also take out some things that are true. Who is worthy of this kind of power? Who can do it well?

Western civilization has struggled with how to deal with human emotional excesses over hundreds of years, spilling lots of blood and tears, and we’ve learned that we have to reconcile within ourselves that there is something ineradicable about them.

We can expose human excesses, but as long as there is no incitement we just have to live with the fact that at some level people will say things we may not like or find wrong.

[1] https://youtu.be/YmNfm88pIe8

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by dleslie »

tiborsaas wrote: post #627
ddevault wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer to this is collective action.

If all the ethical employees leave Google as you suggest, then who do you think will fill their place? Let's not assume they will suffer to find people willing to work for them. Will that make things better or worse?

If Google employees are so easily replaceable then they are grossly overpaid at present.
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