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YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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[citation neeeded] People die all the time. Pretending that the jury is out on the long term impacts of Covid 19 is ascientific.

I'm responding to this not for you, but for others. You should know that what you've just said indicates a disgusting train of thought not characterised by any good intention. -- The issue when talking about the long term affects is that, you're right, we don't have enough information. However that doesn't mean we should sit on our hands and do nothing. The whole point of humans recording history (and science is most…

If you want to have an actual conversation, I'm happy to do that.

First of all, everything coming out in the news recently should cure you of the illusion that we have any idea about the number of people infected. Estimates of an undercounting of a factor of ten in the early days in New York. An aircraft carrier with 60% of cases being completely asymptomatic. Sweden staying the course and not seeing perilous results.

It's interesting that you use the precautionary principle only towards a virus but not towards a wide scale social experiment on an overwhelming majority of the population.

The elderly certainly contribute to the economy, but if you're pretending that it's anywhere near the impact of something like global unemployment in developed countries hitting 10%, you're being obtuse.

Your description of the economy is rudimentary and shows disregard for things like organizational capital which are vital to an effective economy.

And finally, the corpus of scientific knowledge is one thing -- attempting to extract second order effects from epidemics affecting completely different populations with completely different ways and methods of interacting is an exercise in absurdity.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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You're saying that racism and white supremacy is declining?

That's not what I said, but it is according to empirical data. America is a long way from segregation and the LA riots. In 1990, nearly 50% of white respondents to a survey indicated they'd oppose living in a neighborhood where half the residents were black. In 2014, under 20% would oppose it and over 80% are indifferent or would favor it. Going back further than 1990 only serves to bolster that fact.

What explains the disconnect between public opinion surveys and real life segregation?

"Throughout the 20th Century, racial discrimination was deliberate and intentional. Today, racial segregation and division result from policies and institutions that are no longer explicitly designed to discriminate. Yet the outcomes of those policies and beliefs have negative, racial impacts, namely with segregation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_Unit...

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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The fact that they are backing WHO here as a means of curation and censorship instead of a less political org like the CDC, is pretty concerning. We already know WHO has stated objective falsehoods multiple times that impact the health of the world negatively.

Citations please?

please see the top comment in this thread, or the fourth top comment in this thread. I'm not sure why I was downvoted for making the same point as the top comments.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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You're saying that racism and white supremacy is declining?

The LA riots were in 1992. People were getting arrested for marching for civil rights in the 1960s. Things have improved quite a bit. There was just a period where things were brushed under the rug and not acknowledged, but giving internet access to everyone has made us aware of what's been ignored for so long. There are clear bumps of race-motivated crimes or discrimination sometimes, but there's a pretty obvious do…

I'm not so sure. In the public sphere, certainly.

There remain many dark corners, where these pathologies flourish.

Social media just changed the landscape. Engagement maximizing algos birthed outrage cancel culture. It lets people find each other. It accelerates radicalization, both left and especially right leaning.

And the filter bubble keeps these things out of the public sphere.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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You're saying that racism and white supremacy is declining?

In my home country Sweden, I used to think that the rise of the "sweden democrats" (a right wing populist party) was a sign of growing support for their views. I have recently reconsidered that view. I think what we see today are things that never went away. I may be alone in this, by I regard the right wing populism as a democratisation of society. Not because I like the views voiced by the people representing that…

I hope you prove more right than wrong.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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You're saying that racism and white supremacy is declining?

You think it’s increasing? Over what time frame? At least in North America, racism and white supremacy is a fraction of what it was 50 years ago.

I think it morphed, changed character, while the level is constant. For instance, racism is now more sorted along with partisanship.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Except people who decide out of their own free will to watch and follow a specific advice and they end up dying due to it are responsible for their own deaths. You can't blame the medium though which said advice propagated. Regardless, as is and by your own belief youtube should be held responsible for the people that end up dying due to following the WHO recommendations instead of what the experts suggest.

by all means inject yourself with bleach as your “expert” suggests but don’t pretend that people deciding to spread covid19 around because they believe it’s caused from miasmas are only hurting themselves.

> but don’t pretend that people deciding to spread covid19 around because they believe it’s caused from miasmas are only hurting themselves.

Indeed, asymptotic carriers (as well as healthy people that are going to become asymptotic carriers) following the political crackpot pseudoscience advice from WHO and end up not wearing masks do not harm only themselves but everyone around them as well.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( The idea is: "We are the decent, good, people who know the truth. Now we control the platforms, so it's only well and good we control the information, and we tell the deplorable others what they can and can't say." Almost everyone in the history books as a horrible oppressor has told themselves that narrative. Many…

How are police, judges, jurors, etc. exempt from this narrative? Or do you believe that the entire legal system simply should not exist at all, given that it clearly needs to determine the truth value of important statements?

The legal system is extremely elaborate, requires multiple people to agree about proof of wrongdoing and offers many avenues for defense and appeal.

YouTube by comparison is essentially arbitrary.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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It's pretty easy to find official answers to that question. This is from the bccdc.ca website: > Masks may give a person a false sense of security and are likely to increase the number of times a person will touch their own face (e.g., to adjust the mask). http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19...

This argument makes about as much sense as saying seatbelts may give a false sense of security and cause people to drive recklessly. The WHOs mask advice is all outdated and from the perspective of stopping people from trying to catch the virus, whereas in Asia masks are worn to stop spreading your own virus. It's total crap that we can't question WHOs advice here - especially when they've been so behind the curve in…

I don't know who you're arguing with. I was simply responding to the parent's statement "I dare to ask the question", as if the contra arguments were some sort of mystery, or that they didn't exist, when pretty much any official site I've seen offers that information.

I didn't make any statement about whether I thought non-medical masks were a good idea for everyone to wear or not...

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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The WHO still right now does not support wearing masks if you’re not sick. The fact that we know that people can be sick and spread the virus and still not show any symptoms suggests that every country in Asia supporting wearing the masks early on is right and the WHO is wrong.

As ever, the face mask issue is more complicated than it appears at first glance. Yes, if everyone in the world had a sufficient supply of face masks and wore them correctly all of the time then the R0 would drop significantly. The two keys parts of that statement are _sufficient supply_ and _wear them correctly_. There is not a sufficient supply of face masks for everyone on the planet. Anyone purchasing face masks…

It's not complicated at all, except for those who wish to cover up responsibility for how unprepared we have been.

>There is not a sufficient supply of face masks for everyone on the planet. Anyone purchasing face masks for themselves (without showing symptoms) are taking stock away from, for example, healthcare workers. Who definitely need the supplies.

Anyone that has access to cloth can make a rudimentary mask that is better than nothing.

>If the world was perfect and every human was perfect then yes I would agree with your statement.

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

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