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Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by Dahoon »

wastedhours wrote: post #315
hajile wrote: post #247

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My current phone has no headphone jack and it's been an absolute pain the whole time. Adapters are hit-or-miss and generally suck. Even high-end devices (mine was over $800) often have hissing due to the analog signal running fractions of a millimeter from a bunch of digital signals. Adding insult to injury, music objectively sucks with bluetooth. A good DAC takes space and power. Multiple drivers take space and powe…

On the flip side, my phone does have a headphone jack and it's been a perennial weak spot. Debris gets in there far too easily to the extent that it doesn't even allow me to use a standard headphone cable. I'm not an audiophile, so wireless headphones and streamed music is more than good enough for me - but as someone who has a headphone jack and would be more than willing to use it, it's not exactly been a bed of ro…

Buy a simple rubber jack insert. Problem solved.

>Am sure a manufacturer with better QA than OnePlus

Funny, IMO my 7T is by far the best quality phone I have tried and that includes Apple and Google phones.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by reanimated »

ksec wrote: post #854

1163 Comment right now, ~800 Are about Size of Devices. I thought there was another important point. The current entry level iPhone; iPhone SE 2020 with A13 is now faster in Single Threaded performance than ALL current shipping Android, including Flagship Android. And judging by the Qualcomm roadmap, this will likely remain the same in 2021 as well. This is important if you are doing or using Web Apps like Discourse…

I think people are missing the point. I know that most SE owners liked it because of its compact size but from company side this product was never about the size. Its focus is to be cheapest, most affordable entry level iPhone and the way it is achieved is by optimising production and reusing same components. Apple tried to make cheap iPhone with 5c in 2013. SE was continuation of same idea just better executed and it become much more successful. I never had any illusions that Apple will make completely new design just for SE. They have done exactly the same cost effective product as previously so no surprises here.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by MLpractitioner »

srg0 wrote: post #906

A $300 (EUR500) phone in 2020, and its screen resolution is 750 x 1334 (according to GSMArena, because Apple doesn't mention it). Sadly, that's not enough to watch FullHD videos. An attractive form-factor aside, weird resolution of the lower-tier iPhones (XR, 11, SE 2020) is a non-starter for me.

I just checked in NL, it's far from 500Euros, more 800

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by Dahoon »

PunksATawnyFill wrote: post #500
hajile wrote: post #247

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My current phone has no headphone jack and it's been an absolute pain the whole time. Adapters are hit-or-miss and generally suck. Even high-end devices (mine was over $800) often have hissing due to the analog signal running fractions of a millimeter from a bunch of digital signals. Adding insult to injury, music objectively sucks with bluetooth. A good DAC takes space and power. Multiple drivers take space and powe…

And it's not even about only headphones. It's about billions of audio devices that take one thing as input: line-level audio. Home stereos, car stereos, portable amps, hotel-room docks and TVs, PA systems and mixers. Then there's the idiotic problem that Apple created but never even solved: blocking the phone's sole port with a "headphone dongle," which prevents you from CHARGING the phone. So now if you want to list…

You can disable the volume on most phones. Granted "most phones" mean android.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by headmelted »

copperx wrote: post #848
headmelted wrote: post #824

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Right but this isn't that. This is the new iPhone 6/7/8 upgrade in the same chassis (more or less). This is not a new compact iPhone like the 4/4s/5/5S.

As someone who has an iPhone 6 I see little reason to upgrade. FaceID might have changed things, but is there any reason to upgrade my phone besides a slightly faster CPU?

Probably a better camera, new battery, significantly better performance from the chip.

If you’re happy enough with your phone as is then you’re good for now.

I suspect you’re exactly the target audience for this phone though (happy enough to trade cutting edge specs you don’t need for better value - I’m the same).

In any case it’s probably good to know there’s a very familiar drop-in replacement for your existing phone when it gets unusable that isn’t going to break the bank though, right?

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by mettamage »

mettamage wrote: post #875
justinator wrote: post #858

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1163 Comment right now, ~800 Are about Size of Devices. I thought there was another important point. I'm surprised about 1100+ comments, since this is, you know: just another phone

No it's not. The HN crowd has a vocal group of people who advocate for phones like the iPhone SE. The main complaint of this group is that other phones are too big. So a new release of the SE brings a lot of hope for extending that experience. The fact that this phone is bigger doesn't sit well with this vocal minority, because they want a small smartphone and now see that medium is the only available in stock. Expec…

Sorry, I meant to link this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20880686

(I can't edit the post anymore)

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by wyclif »

psychomugs wrote: post #891
bruxis wrote: post #874

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I'm not sure why you cite Japan as an outlier regarding size preferences and smaller-than-average hand sizes, which I generally do not believe to be true and could not find any hard data to cite (source: I live there). Regardless, the iPhone SE did not sell _as_ well in Japan due to a variety of factors, not the least of which being that the iPhone 7 introduced built-in Suica support. Suica is a mobile cash card tech…

In my time abroad in Japan, I found that bringing a small bag was almost an imperative compared to the US where it still seems taboo. This relaxes the pocketability constraint so bringing a larger phone isn't as big of a deal.

I get what you're saying because I'm in SE Asia now. Here a lot of men carry small bags. In places like the Philippines men even carry small shoulder bags that are purse size. That's why it's a bit different from the West (especially USA) where most men either carry a bigger bag like a backpack and messenger bag or else no bag at all. The fact that the iPhone SE slips easily into a front jeans pocket is a major convenience in the West.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by rs23296008n1 »

jazzdog wrote: post #554
koheripbal wrote: post #270

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...as someone who absolutely loves big phones - I am on the other side of this argument. I read and watch shows on my phone constantly, and screen size is a major factor for me. I specifically buy clothes with larger pockets to accommodate. I agree that choice would be better - but I imagine that economies of scale sometimes means having only one size for everyone if you want to keep them cheaper than the competition…

Iphone SE user here. Big screens is why I have an iPad in the house. Small form factor is why I have an iPhone SE in the pocket. My iPad gets _much_ more use than my iPhone. I'm not out and about much, even before the virus. I see phones sticking out of people's pockets and it makes no sense to me.

I use both android and apple. Recently got a ipod touch to replace my iphone. I don't understand the need for huge phones. We've got a bunch of ipad pro 12.9" for general tablet tasks.

Now I common carry an android and ipod touch tethered. Best of both worlds. The samsung is small too.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by hellotomyrars »

sundvor wrote: post #911
justinator wrote: post #858

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1163 Comment right now, ~800 Are about Size of Devices. I thought there was another important point. I'm surprised about 1100+ comments, since this is, you know: just another phone

Yeah the Samsung S20 Ultra barely scored a mention. My 512GB model features 16GB of memory, and a staggeringly beautiful display. Not to mention that camera.. But hey, it's Apple, so everyone is going nuts.

You didn't pay $399 for it.

Apples to oranges.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by balladeer »

szatkus wrote: post #904
ksec wrote: post #854

1163 Comment right now, ~800 Are about Size of Devices. I thought there was another important point. The current entry level iPhone; iPhone SE 2020 with A13 is now faster in Single Threaded performance than ALL current shipping Android, including Flagship Android. And judging by the Qualcomm roadmap, this will likely remain the same in 2021 as well. This is important if you are doing or using Web Apps like Discourse…

$399 isn't really entry-level.

I agree. I look at it as the price of a phone, not price of an iPhone and the new iPhone SE as of today is too costly for what it offers.

I switched to iPhone (older SE) from Android. Size and privacy were two reasons. Then my SE broke down after 3 years (I hadn't put any protective gear). I bought 7 as I needed another phone immediately and I was going away for two months.

The last one year I have been using 7 the lack of a headphone jack is so frustrating I would never buy the new SE.

The next time I have to buy a phone I will buy the smartphone that will provide at least 2-3 years of guaranteed OS upgrades (or there's Lineage support) and has a headphone jack.

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