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Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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I reported a website for human trafficking a year ago, which is still online and protected by cloud flare. I referenced parts of the forum to their staff where users mentioned enjoying raping women. Their response, "I don't see anything wrong with this content".

So what this says is Cloudflare believes in providing service to anyone until it causes bad publicity. It's certainly not a morally courageous stand, but fits in perfectly with most tech giants.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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All I have to say is the arguments being put forth by so many on this thread are poorly formed, appeal to logical fallacies, in particular false equivalence, and generally show a lack of understanding of American enlightenment ideals and the Constitution. I'm not going to get down in this mud by trying to refute all the bad points, but it makes me sad to see HN in such a state. I think perhaps it's time for country of origin tagging so we know where commenters are from... because these sentiments are somewhat understandable in less free european countries, but are much less so if the posters are American.

I hope this isn't a precursor to HN being sockpuppeted to death like Reddit...

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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The last sentence is the main reason why the world is so fucked up today. "Unless you agree with my radical leftist agenda you are a nazi/racist/ "-mentality and the complete unreasonability of the left is the reason why normal people are fed up with all this crap and are voting for Trump, Brexit etc. No matter how evil some group is (may they be pedophiles, satan worshippers, nazis, whatever...) silencing them and a…

The first sentence is the main reason we are so fucked. There's literally nothing radical or leftist in what I said. Nazism is literally responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths world wide. Fact. You know how I know you're actually a shill? > And don't even start with the car-thing. An individual psycho does not compare to organized widely accepted violence. Whataboutism in literally the next paragraph: > What…

And communists just want equality. The rsult is tens of millions of people dead.

Actions speak louder than words and BLM's are very telling.

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> I'm okay with neonazis saying disgusting things, as long as they play by the rules and don't commit any violence. So people should be allowed to say anything ? So you can organize any imaginable crime, threaten people and promote false information as long as you don't do any physical harm? I agree that just objecting Cloudflare's decision doesn't make you anything. One being a potential Nazi sympathizer just becaus…

Speech intended to incite violence and threatening isn't protected by the 1st.

I'm not an American and I didn't talk about something being legal or not. I was lucky enough to leave Turkey before they started jailing people based on their ideas, so I know how bad it may get if legal protection on free speech is weakened.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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I reported a website for human trafficking a year ago, which is still online and protected by cloud flare. I referenced parts of the forum to their staff where users mentioned enjoying raping women. Their response, "I don't see anything wrong with this content".

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Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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> I have a problem with this, because in effect it is saying that if you want to be in business, you have to check your principles at the entrance. Well, welcome to the club! Other noteable groups objecting to their principles being regulated by a government office include Masterpiece Cakeshop of Lakewood, CO, and Memories Pizza of Walker, IN. (For the moment, disregard the likes of Hobby Lobby and Little Sisters of…

You're missing out on option 4: People can't discriminate on properties that the person they are doing business with can't pick or change (gender, sexual orientation, color of skin, hair, size of nose ...) but can discriminate on properties that the person in question did choose or could change (voicing the desire to kill or suppress large parts of the population, affiliation with nazis or just being an idiot in gene…

You can't choose not to be gay, but you can choose not to hold hands with your boyfriend in public. Is it okay to discriminate based on that?

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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> The idea that I'm seeing any of these comments arguing to the contrary means HN is already infiltrated by /pol/ and other Nazi sympathizing groups. This is an extremely frightening statement to me. I'm terrified by the fact that you'd paint me as a Nazi sympathizer because my meta-level beliefs that text and speech should be protected are stronger than my object-level beliefs that Nazi philosophy is evil. The Nazis…

> This is an extremely frightening statement to me. It truly is to me as well. It's something you expect nazis to say. Imagine if the comment was "The idea that I'm seeing any of these comments arguing to the contrary means HN is already infiltrated by israel and other jewish sympathizing groups." It's a form of intimidation to silence groups one disagrees with. I can't believe his comment is the most upvoted on HN o…

This is fundamentally untrue, but the nice knife twist against gender studies was a nice bit of rhetoric.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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His only mistake is explaining himself. If it were my call, every hate group's content would have inexplicable persistent problems. I'd use the Simple Sabotage Field Manual as my playbook.

And the hate group would be defined as such by whom?

Sometimes we yield idealism for the sake of pragmatism. Yes, the definition of "hate group" is subjective and also political, but most people recognize that self-described nazis and members of the KKK meet that definition.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Communists killed multiple millions more. Yet Fidel Castro had world leaders at his funeral. The anti-Jewish progroms of the Soviet Union happened yet protesters who carry hammer and sickle flags aren’t treated with the same vile contempt as those who carry Nazi flags. Che Guevara’s face is plastered across all manner of pop culture and products yet that face represents communism and for some reason, it’s culturally…

Were there any real pogroms in the Soviet Union - the closest that I'm aware of was the Doctors Plot but that ended pretty much as soon as Stalin died. Indeed a common accusation of White forces was that the Bolsheviks were Jews. Edit: Note that I am not seeking to defend the Soviets here - just questioning whether antisemitism was actually part of their ideology.

Many groups had real problems in the Soviet union.
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