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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Did you scrutinize Obama's picks just as heavily? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-14/most-important-wiki...

Why should that matter? I'm not the OP, but I was 16 when Obama formed his administration, and I was uninvolved in politics at the time. Does that disqualify me from tracking and critiquing the Trump Administration?

Just pointing out how both parties are two sides of the same coin, but we're too busy calling each other bigots and fascists to realize this.

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Trump those things was definitely not acceptable. But we can't undo the election or ignore the results of it simply because we don't find it acceptable. A very large share of American population were happy enough to vote for him. This, Brexit, raise to popularity of some specific parties in Europe should be a huge wake up call. And if we keep the attitude of 'racists voted him! He's a liar!' then it's just the beginn…

We should be very worried about the prospect of nationalist parties in europe. Unlike the US, nationalism in europe is deadly, very deadly. We should have a frank discussion about immigration and define our red lines in order to weaken this wave.

The thing is, these dangerous elements don't have any voice if there is not an issue in the first place.

If the borders were controlled and immigration was regulated, then you have no Nazis gaining support.

This is the side effect of these open borders policies in Germany.

The liberal strategy is fundamentally flawed. Fighting racism through driving it underground is not the right approach.

Its so sad.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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I wasn't agreeing with the claims against Trump. I think they are wrong. I was commenting on the fact that you can find arguments for all those claims for Clinton. Which cancels out the argument - and requires each claim to be taken by itself without supporting evidence and reasoned arguments. The libs got to use to not having to back up their claims through a confirmation bias from their echo chamber.

What I don't understand is that you're telling us how you feel bullied by the libs using generalities, and in doing that you're labeling me a "lib" and doing so in a way that comes across as talking down to me. I'm not defending the behavior of Democratic Party supporters, but can you recognize the hypocrisy in your behavior just now?

Racist is an attribute of a group. Libs is the name of a group. I think its different.

I am not using libs as a derogatory term. Liberals vs conservatives. Left vs right. I think the division is pretty clear.

I absolutely don't mean to come across talking down to you :)

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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I wasn't agreeing with the claims against Trump. I think they are wrong. I was commenting on the fact that you can find arguments for all those claims for Clinton. Which cancels out the argument - and requires each claim to be taken by itself without supporting evidence and reasoned arguments. The libs got to use to not having to back up their claims through a confirmation bias from their echo chamber.

Except they're a classic smokescreen - every time one is refuted (and they all are, through expensive pointless investigation) another is invented to fill airtime.

This is where I disagree. There are so many analagous examples for Clinton its not funny.

This election I really saw the "liberal media" that everyone always talks about. Clinton had such a history that it made it clear as day. "Super predators", Jewish slurs, all the emails, Hillary's treatment of women after Bill's affairs, etc, etc.

Look at the NYTimes front pages during the election.

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I'm having trouble with this implied connection of corruption and feminists, 'sjws', etc. Another issue: are you agreeing with _anything_ feminists are saying?

> are you agreeing with _anything_ feminists are saying? Nope. Women are well respected in society and now have more opportunities than men. There are many successful women, and women don't need a message from men saying that the system is rigged against them and they will not make it if they try. When there are as many women taking computer science at university, and seeking work in the computer science industry, an…

How can you say that when there are numerous examples of assault and discrimination? From the very obvious assaults by frat boys to the fact that if a couple wants to have a child the woman is the one who is forced to take a career hit. I don't buy the retort that a woman should choose whether she wants to pursue a career in corporate law or to have a child, that consideration never enters the picture for a man.

Just because we're no longer telling Sally that she's bad at math because she's a girl doesn't mean we're done.

You may consider yourself an egalitarian but you can't be blind to the wider state of things. Have you considered that you may have a similar blindspot for other types of discrimination?

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Relevant column: "I don't see a moral obligation for anyone to serve in a Trump administration. But people who opposed Donald Trump, on both the left and right, should commit right now to one thing: We will not tar good people for joining the Trump administration. Their motives will not be questioned, and if things do turn out as some of his critics fear, the people in his foreign and domestic policy apparatus will n…

I agree entirely with McArdle on this. At this point, I would be extremely reassured by an administration that is "wrong within normal parameters". That's not what we're likely to get. We've gotten the following trial balloons for appointments: * John Bolton or Newt Gingrich for State * Larry Kudlow or Steven Mnuchin for Treasury * Joe Arpaio for DHS * Steve Bannon for Chief Of Staff * Chris Christie or Rudy Giuliani…

How about Sarah Palin for State?

People laughed when she warned about Russia, Hillary supposedly hit the "reset button" on the relationship, and then... Russia invaded and annexed Crimea.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Whatever the reason for the broadening of the definition (I would consider progress), it doesn't change the fact that people today use it with the definition it has today. Just like "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet", so would his attitude towards women by any other name would smell just as bad.

let's put trump aside. There are nuances in the way we talk which have been lost. People from both sides use extreme language willy-nilly like racist, sexist, fascist. These words are serious accusations not mild epithets. This creates a culture where middle ground does not exist, you are either with us or you're the enemy, which is madness. E.g. I don't like smokers, but i don't hate them.

Exactamundo

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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I agree entirely with McArdle on this. At this point, I would be extremely reassured by an administration that is "wrong within normal parameters". That's not what we're likely to get. We've gotten the following trial balloons for appointments: * John Bolton or Newt Gingrich for State * Larry Kudlow or Steven Mnuchin for Treasury * Joe Arpaio for DHS * Steve Bannon for Chief Of Staff * Chris Christie or Rudy Giuliani…

How about Sarah Palin for State? People laughed when she warned about Russia, Hillary supposedly hit the "reset button" on the relationship, and then... Russia invaded and annexed Crimea.

Like Arpaio, another official who left office in disgrace (this time, resigning abruptly before she was even ousted), in a red state with a red local government, after costing taxpayers millions of dollars defending her unlawful abuses of power.

Arpaio, Gingrich, Palin --- these aren't serious Republican thinkers. They're people riding a GOP gravy train. Each chose to court publicity instead of doing their job, and each is being rewarded under the Reality TV Administration of Donald Trump.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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6. Dan doesn't understand or empathize with Bob that while Bob may or may not approve just one aspect of a politician but that believes Pence is better than 'x' and thus is also a bigot.

I think that's where we disagree. Given, Dan can't change the fact he's gay. Given, Mike Pence has formally expressed that "Homosexuality is incompatible with military service" and signed into law legislation allowing businesses in Indiana to kick out gay customers when he was governor of Indiana. Given, Mike Pence's party controls the Congress, Executive, and Legislative branches of government. It follows it is like…

So if the other candidate was Hitler (and happened to support homosexuals in the military)...Bob is a bigot unless he supports Hitler.

Taking the extreme positions in a logical argument help to reveal the inconsistencies.

Its all about what each party prioritises.

The liberals prioritised certain things above all else. Its a very principaled yet emotional approach.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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> Sure, you and Donald Trump can say whatever you please. Nobody's restricting your freedom of speech. As opposed to who?

As opposed to nobody. Everyone can say whatever they please. I was just giving examples: "you and Donald Trump".

Yes everyone can say what they please. But if you are in any kind of liberal circle, it is social suicide to support anything Trump says.

And this is what creates the echo chamber. Which prevents you from hearing the silent majority who decided this election.

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