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United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by _moof »

pc86 wrote: post #841
_moof wrote: post #514

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> Actually, I don't think it's a good idea to bring your politics into a an enclosed pace like this where people are forced to be a captive audience, notwithstanding that I agree with theparticular sentiment expressed. That is a very, very, very different statement than "I'm calling the FBI." You're talking about should or shouldn't. The issue here is past that point: whether it's then right to involve people who are…

> That is a very, very, very different statement than "I'm calling the FBI." Yes, but on an aircraft the captain is the dictator. They can do basically whatever they want within the confines of law and company policy - and honestly with enough seniority, which the captain on a transatlantic flight has a lot of - they can probably ignore company policy once or twice and get away with it and keep their job. As far as I…

I'm well aware of the law. I was a full-time flight instructor for years, and the relevant regulation is the first one I taught when introducing students to the regs.

But I'm not talking about whether the captain has final responsibility and authority for the operation of the aircraft.

I'm talking about whether it's sane to escalate directly from something that is very much not an explicit threat of violence, to involving people whose primary tools are suspension of physical liberty and acts of violence.

(Also, please note: that rule says two things. The captain has final authority, yes, but they are also responsible for the choices they make. It's not a free pass to do anything they want for any reason.)

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by rurp »

neilv wrote: post #178

I once consulted on some aviation-related software (not the safety work prominent on my resume), and a company announcement came through, that you must never use a few specific words commonly heard in software development. The two no-no words I recall were "crash" and "bomb". Don't write them in code or documents, don't say them on the phone or videoconf, etc. Those terms have senses that people in aviation take extr…

Rock climbing involves a lot of building anchors and setting gear that you trust your life to. The shorthand my first partner and I started using to say an anchor was perfectly solid was a tongue in cheek "Eh, good enough". That worked fine for a couple irreverent youngsters who knew each other well.

Later on my friend got a professional rigging job. One of his first days out he was asked to check an anchor and said it was "Eh, good enough". It was a real record scratch moment where everyone froze and someone asked wtf he just said.

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by stouset »

Retric wrote: post #463
stouset wrote: post #354

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You are dodging the fact that getting a handful of planes to turn around is an act that induces frustration, annoyance, and insignificant costs at best. Not terror.

Terror is a tactic used by terrorist organizations, but it’s hardly the only thing they do. “There’s no such thing as bad publicity.” Isn’t quite true, but publicity is inherently valuable to organizations dependent on outside donors. The Provos/IRA did similar things (attention grabbing and annoying) not just setting off bombs during the time of troubles.

The day that Americans open their newspapers to read that terrorist cells operating within our borders undertook a massive operation to plant Bluetooth devices on planes with the name BOMB is the day that Americans stop being concerned about terrorism form that group.

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Post by megous »

lostlogin wrote: post #216
megous wrote: post #179

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Discussion around it quickly turns into a ‘yes but look what they did’. It baffles me. A rich, powerful democracy should be held to a higher standard. But… yes, both sides have been terrible. Which side is going to work towards a peaceful coexistence?

Punishing child killers is not a high standard.

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Post by megous »

rashinol wrote: post #368
megous wrote: post #145

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I read all these PCPSR polls in detail as they were released. And if you actually read the polls you'd never be able to conclude what you did, for one simple reason. Those polls consistently show vaaaast majority (>90%) of Palestinians from Gaza did not believe Hamas perpetrated attrocities attributed to them by Israelis. There was never a direct qustion about support of killing Jews in those polls either.

OTOH, extermination of population of an enemy city was a direct question in that Israeli poll.

Also on another note, a poll of a population of Gaza does not represent all Muslims. You can easily say that a long term occupied and terrorized population by Israeli Jews, will not be best representative sample of Muslim views on Israel or Jews, even if that population is very largely Muslim.

Conflating views of all Muslims with Muslims from Gaza, lying about the poll and misrepresenting the results to fit your whataboutist views, etc. only shows your total lack of rigor. Nothing else.

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Post by kennywinker »

linkregister wrote: post #482
kennywinker wrote: post #52

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No that was because they hate our freedom, not because of decades of occupation and war all over the middle east funded by US taxpayer dollars.

The stated reasoning by Osama bin Laden in a letter published in 2002 [1] was primarily a response to grievances over the US support of Israel's occupation of Palestine, as well as a number of unrelated grievances mostly due to the choices of the various monarchies in the Gulf Arab states. For example, retaining a presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia at the request of King Abdullah. It may be satisfying to affirm…

I guess i needed a /s tag on my comment.

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Post by rashin0l »

megous wrote: post #916
rashinol wrote: post #368

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I read all these PCPSR polls in detail as they were released. And if you actually read the polls you'd never be able to conclude what you did, for one simple reason. Those polls consistently show vaaaast majority (>90%) of Palestinians from Gaza did not believe Hamas perpetrated attrocities attributed to them by Israelis. There was never a direct qustion about support of killing Jews in those polls either. OTOH, exte…

You can’t claim that Israelis are particularly hateful if you’re not comparing them to anyone else.

For all you know all people are just as hateful or more hateful.

All you are showing is that Israelis are reflective and self-critical.

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Post by ryukoposting »

The comments on the article (not on HN) are wild. One person says the kid should do time in federal prison, another guy says "that's ridiculous" and then they get dogpiled by people who actually think this kid should go to jail.

Sometimes I feel like I'm from a different planet than some people.

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by ryukoposting »

Insanity wrote: post #130

Which bomb would advertise itself as such.. this is something I’d expect in the movie Airplane!, not something to happen in real life.

Yeah if I was making a bomb, I'd name it "Bob's iPhone 16" or something.

But hey, I don't make bombs. Maybe the bomb-making experts know something I don't.

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