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Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by daheza »

xp84 wrote: post #776
voncheese wrote: post #369

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> Every use of AI for these robs the employee culture of a genuine trust building moment. Spot on. The erosion of communication and relationships between people in the workplace (or even outside it) that AI contributes to is something that we don't talk about nearly enough. Society today has already suffered greatly in these areas thanks to social media, and AI just makes it worse. People (in general) are really stru…

Yes. The role of good management here cannot be understated. Good management (all the way up) is the difference between saying "be more productive, here's an AI subscription" and people understanding what types of usage are actually wanted and useful. As it is now, with just the vague handwaving many managers are doing, people are hearing "You should reach for AI immediately anytime you get an input that you technica…

Exactly great point here.

I was a bit annoyed with an IC recently because he would just respond to peoples messages with "Heres with Claude says".

He didn't understand why I was so annoyed because we have been pushing them to use AI for everything.

I had to explain to him, its like when google first came about, yes you can just send people Let me Google that for you links, or you can respond politely and reasonably to build a relationship. In the end I don't think he got it and it's something I'll need to continue working on with him.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by lanfeust6 »

ethin wrote: post #804
lanfeust6 wrote: post #700

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Norms surrounding the use of LLMs are in the process of being established, it's a new frontier. Many people rely on these signals over common sense. The feedback loop will lead to corrections in time, for now people are sussing out where the boundaries of appropriate-use are. Corp/gov policy is still lagging as well.

I really am not a big fan of this... Hand-waving, I guess? Around this problem. Saying "well the norms are still being established" feels kind of like a "well don't really get mad at the people doing it, they're still trying to figure out the boundaries of acceptable use" kind of thing to me. People should already know that this kind of behavior is unacceptable. The fact that they don't is very, very telling and says…

They should, but they (some) don't. As with most things, it's more attributable to ignorance than malice. Not much I want to do with what this "tells" me.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by program_whiz »

ertgbnm wrote: post #909
program_whiz wrote: post #894

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honestly a sad state. Obviously there is a reasonable threshold, but trying not to speak to anyone until you've done a ton of work / research when they know the answer is just sad. Like what's wrong with asking a question? We've entered this anti-human hellscape where asking a question in slack (async) is somehow a crime, like posting an opinion without a double-blind study to back it up (burn him!). And the same peo…

My threshold for asking for help might be a little higher than the median, but, I like this operating style personally. Maybe it's just how I was raised, but the thought of not trying to figure something out for myself first is unthinkable. I fill like I get plenty of human connection at work and collaborate with peers and other disciplines plenty. I'm not in tech, I'm in civil engineering so maybe it's just a differ…

hey that's perfectly understandable, and yeah, definitely there is a group that wants you to "do the work for them". I was reacting more to a kind of question/chat shaming I've seen -- where engineers act like they're optimizing 99% of their precious time and mental energy and can't be bothered to make a humanized workplace experience for others.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by [deleted] »

program_whiz wrote: post #894
ertgbnm wrote: post #510

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Sending an AI response to a question that someone asks you is insulting because it's a bit like sending them a link to letmegooglethat where it just animates typing the question you have into google. I think it's only appropriate when you are trying to insult the asker. Like if an employee asks a really dumb question that indicates that they didn't even bother googling the question or asking AI first, then sending th…

honestly a sad state. Obviously there is a reasonable threshold, but trying not to speak to anyone until you've done a ton of work / research when they know the answer is just sad. Like what's wrong with asking a question? We've entered this anti-human hellscape where asking a question in slack (async) is somehow a crime, like posting an opinion without a double-blind study to back it up (burn him!). And the same peo…

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Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by progbits »

Tangurena2 wrote: post #521
p2detar wrote: post #17

> I worked as a developer at a company. I asked the business owner a question about a business task. He sent me a ChatGPT screenshot with the answer. I replied that it had nothing to do with my question and everything there was wrong. A minute later he sent me another ChatGPT screenshot. He didn’t even read the AI’s answer. That's just rude and borderline psychotic behavior. It's still a bit better at my workplace bu…

There's an old computing maxim: GIGO. It used to mean "garbage in, garbage out" meaning that if you put garbage into a computer, then the output was garbage. Nowadays, GIGO means "garbage in, gospel out" meaning that no matter how bad the input was, the output was to be treated as The Word of God .

Since the tool's quality strongly depends on the abilities of the user, I think I prefer:

Garbage Invoker, Garbage Output

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by indoordin0saur »

glaslong wrote: post #511
fbnlsr wrote: post #247

This has been my experience as well. - Claude writes User Stories, supervised by the PO. - Claude is in charge of the implementation, supervised by the devs. - Claude does the PR review. - If a comment is made by a human, someone c/p what Claude thinks with a simple "not sure if AI is right". We're just passing butter at this point.

My experience as well. It's happened a few times now that I'll ask a coworker a question about some system they built, and they tell me to just ask the AI. I did ask the AI. I gave it several rounds. I got a summary of their diff from it. I skimmed their diff myself. I have a rough mental model of the work they did, plus what the AI did/didn't tell me. I'm asking THEM so THEY can confirm my mental model is correct to…

Currently having a big issue in some of our data pipelines because a lazy engineer vibe coded a bunch of slop that doesn't make much sense and the AI can't help. Looking like we're going to need to scrap all the code and start from scratch.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by kjreact »

sixtyj wrote: post #480
rickydroll wrote: post #406

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I attribute people returning AI answers to a desire to feel valued and to feel that they contribute something to the person asking the question. But they are not self-aware or confident enough to understand that they should preface the AI response with: "Interesting question, I asked Claude that question, and here's what I got for a response. Here's what I thought was interesting about Claude's response and what I th…

I would rather hear the answer “I don’t know. I had to look it up.” (And I don’t care what you have used as sources, as citing counts with norms/laws or in academics.) If you really rewrite LLM’s response in your own words, I will know that you have learnt something. Because if you tell me directly that you have asked Claude, next time I will probably ask Claude directly as I don’t need you. And we won’t be able to d…

> If you really rewrite LLM’s response in your own words, I will know that you have learnt something.

What a waste of time. Do you treat your coworkers like students trying to do homework that you assigned?

> Because if you tell me directly that you have asked Claude, next time I will probably ask Claude directly as I don’t need you.

I should be upfront about the use of AI when providing an answer. You in turn would learn that you can find the solution using AI yourself next time. You learn something and so do I. What is wrong with this interaction?

> That is the reason why doctors wear white and have stethoscope. In many cases people don’t argue with their opinion as they know that doctor had to spend 6 years to earn it. But if they admit LLM as a source they are becoming replaceable.

And don’t get me started with doctors. I hate when someone just tells me to trust them just because they are a professional. If they are worth their salt then they can defend their position without using their costume or degree to intimidate me.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by rolph »

sofixa wrote: post #489
FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #468

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I've gone back to just calling people on the phone like a true savage.

Unfortunately that's not enough, voice AI is very good nowadays,

if you receive an AI call, grab a pen and click it just before every word, be sure to delay cadence between words, to give the impression a mouse is being moved toward the next word to "click" on.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by indoordin0saur »

dgellow wrote: post #48
embedding-shape wrote: post #6

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> We build on our prior research by using three different AI detectors (Pangram, GPTZero, Copyleaks). We independently evaluate each to show that the false positive rates and average false negative rates are consistently below 2%. Each AI detector shows a similar trend. This is all bullshit, none of those actually work, and the false-positives rates are sky-high. I'm not sure how any serious person have tried out any…

The detectors aren’t great but they aren’t really the issue. The fact that LLMs make it so easy to impersonate human communication is precisely the problem here. There cannot be a reliable way to identify if something is from a human or not. And the ease of access and low price makes using LLM generated content a no brainer, you have to actively go out of your way to produce human generated content. We are building a…

Currently the way I detect AI when I read something is that I start to notice a fuzzy confused behind my eyeballs, or The words and concepts seem unusually disconnected and meaningless in a hard-to-describe way. Then I squint a little harder and realize that I was got tricked into reading slop. Weirdly, I also notice this quality in code, even really good AI code that apparently works.
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