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Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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Let's be honest, Meta over hired. Big time. If anyone ever interviewed a few Meta engineers, he would easily see that a large percentage of them had really small, and sometimes bullshit scopes. As a result, such engineers couldn't articulate what they do in Meta, couldn't deep dive into their own tech stacks, nor could solve common-sense design questions when they just deviated a bit from those popular interview ques…

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Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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People bring up "overhiring" every single time. We've had like 3 years of these massive layoffs already. How many "corrections" do they need? I'm beginning to feel like the "overhiring" line is a concerted campaign

its not a 'concerted campaign'. meta laid off 4300 in 2025, but by the end of the year was actaully ~4800 higher than before. If that is not 'over hiring', i dont know what is. The headcount went from 74K in dec2024 to 78K in dec2025, even WITH the layoffs. There is no "workforce reduction". its just "we need new faces around here". Hire-to-fire.

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People bring up "overhiring" every single time. We've had like 3 years of these massive layoffs already. How many "corrections" do they need? I'm beginning to feel like the "overhiring" line is a concerted campaign

Name one product that Meta created over the last 10 years that mattered - beyond adtech. They can fire everyone in every team and just retain ads (tech and sales) - and some minimal setup for instagram and whatsapp and facebook and their revenue will not take a dent. So, yes, they overhired.

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No they couldn’t because the severance is paid out of the money the budget set aside for wages for the year. So out of the 12 months, they give 4 months to the laid off worker and Facebook pockets the other 8 months.

Facebook could give zero severance, "pocket the full year budget" to use your phrasing, and distribute it to owners as a dividend. The severance comes directly from cash that could have been distributed to owners, as GP originally said.

This is assuming, though, that should shareholders want to take distributions the money wouldn't be there unless the layoffs are done. Facebook has plenty of cash to cover both if it shareholders or the board wanted to keep employee count stable and also pay out a comparable dividend.

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Enterprise methodologies like Scaled Agile Framework (SAFe) are explicitly designed around managing that friction. Developers may complain about the additional toil and process overhead it imposes on them, but for the organization as a whole this is sometimes the least bad option.

None of the important projects or FANGs build with frameworks like that, sorry. Project management frameworks are all larp and mostly used by slow moving firms from the past.

Right, those frameworks aren't a good fit for sophisticated tech companies. They're targeted towards enterprises where software is just one component of a larger strategy. Sometimes moving slower is a better way to create shareholder value.

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We have revenue breakdown. Where is the profit breakdown?

Ha, probably nobody at Google even knows the exact cost of each of those business lines.

Yep - It's nearly impossible to assign profit to those things - we have X revenue from Android licenses, what's the cost of an android license? Is it all the R&D that goes to UI or hardware research? What's the cost of a Youtube Ad?

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And just think how much more profitiable they'd be if they scaled up (◞ิ౪◟ิ)

You joke but they fund raise like they love money - lying to their users about needing donations...

It depends on what your priors are for what's "needed". If you think 80k employees are needed to do what the Wikimedia Foundation does, their fundraising is way too humble. :-)

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That's not how it works in many countries. You can have regional governments that raise their own taxes and aren't beholden to the central government organizationally, just legally.

This is how it works in the US. Federal/State/County/City.

State governments are very much not under "management" of the federal government.

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> The missing bit is where you say "I take full responsibility for this situation" > Where's the active "taking responsibility" part? But what is the implication of taking full responsibility? What actions would he be taking for "taking full responsibility"? I don't think you meant you merely wanted the performative sound of "I take full responsibility for this situation" to come out of his mouth. Without actions, th…

> I don't think you meant you merely wanted the performative sound of "I take full responsibility for this situation" to come out of his mouth. Without actions, the words mean nothing. 100% agree, and that's precisely the critique towards Mark as those words presumably came out of his mouth. > So, what would be the actions you were looking for here? Claw back his executive compensation, forfeit bonuses for the fiscal…

> Claw back his executive compensation

This is actually very problematic that a company can claw back compensation that wasn't previously agreed upon (with the exception of crimes).

Companies could have put this clause in the job offer. Yet they don't. Why? Because no respectable person would have signed such contract.

You wouldn't sign such contract either.

> fund better severance / transition support?

To continue the analogy of the cleaners, you don't provide severance nor transition support either.

In FB, the severance of 4-month minimum seems good.

> Forfeit bonuses for the fiscal year

100% agree! If the company's or their performance is bad, they absolutely don't get bonuses. This is coded in their performance/compensation review criteria.

If your employee makes 10 successful things and fails 1 thing, how much would you punish that person? probably none.

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It's #3 - it's always #3. All of these tech companies (with perhaps the notable exception of Apple) massively overhired during the pandemic, and that overhiring was on top of a decade+ of the ZIRP era. So there are 2 main drivers of these layoffs: 1. Correcting pandemic overhiring 2. In the ~2010-2022 timeframe, tech companies poured all this money into speculative bets that never went anywhere, at least from a profi…

> Amazon's Alexa devices division Alexa devices had so much potential, if they'd only practised customer obsession like Amazon used to (still?) preach, and not stuff their products with ads.

How? Potential as cool devices, sure. Potential to make money though?? Nobody has really figured out how to make money from voice-only assistants.
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