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Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by adrianN »

zdragnar wrote: post #456
adrianN wrote: post #402

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It’s difficult to scale this to the levels we would need to make a difference.

Depending on the tree, freshly cut wood can have anywhere from 1:3 to 2:1 ratio of water to actual wood fiber. So, unless we want to remove a massive amount of fresh water from the ecosystem, we also need to invest energy in drying out the wood well below natural humidity levels (transport to a desert maybe?) on top of electrifying what is currently a diesel and gas heavy industry (cutting and transporting logs with…

You can make charcoal, you even get a little bit of energy out of it or can use the wood gas as chemical feedstock. It’s still completely impractical to scale to the gigatons we’d need to sequester.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by jaredklewis »

tarr11 wrote: post #162
eykanal wrote: post #3

For those (like me) who don't know the authors, apparently they are well-published authors in the field of climate science whose work is very highly cited: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C39&q=gra... Not a perfect measure of whether this is a reputable article but at least readers should know this isn't from some randos in a basement somewhere.

It says this in bold red at the top - "This is a preprint; it has not been peer reviewed by a journal." I am not a climate scientist - how should I think about this statement? Normally I am looking for some statement that shows a document has been vetted.

A paper being peer reviewed is a good sign, but I feel like the signal is usually over interpreted.

Peer reviewed does not mean the findings of the paper are established fact or scientific consensus. It does not mean that the findings have been replicated by other scientists. It does not mean that the paper relied on a robust methodology, is free of basic statistical errors, or even free of logical fallacies.

Some of these limitations are due to the limitations of peer review itself. Others are just side effects of the way science works (for example, some ideas start as small, unimpressive experiments that are reported on in papers, and the strength of the findings is gradually developed over time). Obviously sometimes the prestige (or lack thereof) of the journal the paper is in decreases (or increases) some of these issues.

Anyway, peer review is a very noisy channel (IMHO).

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by ai-x »

yongjik wrote: post #812
ai-x wrote: post #808

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There are various levels of perspectives - Climate Warming is a hoax - Climate Warming is happening, but not Man Made and part of larger cycles - Climate Warming is Man Made, but drastic De-growth strategies cause more harm. - Climate Warming is Man Made, don't need de-growth strategies because Technology will solve energy efficiency, clean energy growth and carbon capture and humans adapt along the way - Climate War…

Things must be bleak for climate deniers if they have to make an itemized list of strawman arguments to feel good about it.

The only group that cries and creates hysteria is the last group. So, not sure why you think the other groups consider it as bleak. From all the other groups perspective, they are winning, because nobody is buying the stupid de-growth, ban fossils agenda.

Yes, if hysteria and de-growth propaganda wins, it is bleak for the other groups

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by ai-x »

mmooss wrote: post #856
ai-x wrote: post #808

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There are various levels of perspectives - Climate Warming is a hoax - Climate Warming is happening, but not Man Made and part of larger cycles - Climate Warming is Man Made, but drastic De-growth strategies cause more harm. - Climate Warming is Man Made, don't need de-growth strategies because Technology will solve energy efficiency, clean energy growth and carbon capture and humans adapt along the way - Climate War…

> de-growth Associating action to prevent with 'de-growth' is disinformation from the deniers. Climate change itself is massively de-growth. The question is how to best prevent it.

By your own brilliant logic, since Growth is accelerating everywhere, Climate Change is not happening?

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-gdp-over-the-long-...

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by fch42 »

cataphract wrote: post #579
myrmidon wrote: post #573

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> It's all China, but I guess it's cool to blame things on developed countries. This is just a naive take. You'd obviously expect chinese emissions to be higher (than the US) assuming similar industrialization, because you are counting emissions for like triple the amount of people. What you conveniently fail to mention: US citizens still emit over 50% more CO2 each, and China basically just caught up to emission lev…

> Why would a country like India pay/sacrifice to reduce emissions while western citizens still pollute at much higher levels after reaping all the spoils from historical pollution? To avoid their country having large regions become uninhabitable?

Air pollution (from smog) in India is already at a "seasonally deadly" level. If you haven't been to India during late autumn, it's hard to imagine how bad it is. Your eyes burn and every breath stings, you literally taste the acrid smog all the time.

India is working hard to get that down. It's a much more tangible and immediate problem there than the thought some parts of the country may become so hot as to be unliveable. Addressing thst, in India, is a side effect / a benefit of cleaning up the air, as much as energy autarky via Solar PV has the benefit of becoming independent of oil imports. India has coal. Lots of it. It's cheap to them. It doesn't particularly want to use more of it because of the associated air pollution and also because cooling water for thermal power plants competes with drinking water for people in some places.

Personally I think India is rather pragmatic here. Battery banks for scooters in the cities? tick. Buildout of PV? tick. Electric car charging stations? tick. Replacing wood, coal and other dirty cooking fuel by gas? Also tick. India just doesn't bother fighting some internal culture wars about how great fossil fuels or renewables are. They just move ahead more or less silently.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by neochief »

fasterik wrote: post #895
budududuroiu wrote: post #864

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> Meanwhile, developing countries like China and India are projected to account for 35-40% of total global emissions in the next decade, far outweighing the impact of individual lifestyle choices in the West. Sure, but that's still mostly driven by Western demand for... Stuff. I'd like to see that share of global emissions if the West was still industrialised and didnt rely on China to be its factory

80% of China's manufacturing output is consumed domestically. Of the goods exported from China, only about 15% go to the United States. While that still represents a lot of exports in absolute terms, it's simply false to say that it's "mostly driven by Western demand for stuff".

I found your claim hard to believe, so I fact checked it, and it turned out mostly correct. Thanks!

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by Dansvidania »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #819

There's a huge hypocrisy in wanting others to pollute less, yet still have a lifestyle that pollutes, but just less than those polluting the most. I personally won't criticize people who take flights to go on vacation (I don't but I accept those who do). But I'll be pointing out the hypocrisy of those who take flights to go on vacation and yet want to micro-manage how others should live their lives so that they'd be…

> There's a huge hypocrisy in wanting others to pollute less, yet still have a lifestyle that pollutes, but just less than those polluting the most

> And I'll never ever take a single lesson about pollution from anyone who had two kids or more.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by apexalpha »

NDizzle wrote: post #334
apexalpha wrote: post #241

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A lot HAS changed. Europe even has a tax on CO2 emissions. It's just not enough and it's very hard to convince the public to accelerate when the US not only gave up but it actively reversing to fossil fuels.

At what European tax rate will China and India work on reducing their CO2 emissions?

https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/carbon-border-adjustme...

Here you go.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by sulam »

zahlman wrote: post #838
sulam wrote: post #828

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This is a very common figure you can find much support for. Here’s one legitimate source: Ice Melt | Global Sea Level – NASA Sea Level Change Portal — https://sealevel.nasa.gov/understanding-sea-level/global-sea...

Okay, so they say it, but they don't appear to show their work.

Want me to Google it for you?

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by hdgvhicv »

lokar wrote: post #682
goatlover wrote: post #406

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A new US administration and Congress need to be voted in. There is one party who backs fossil fuel interests and denies anthropogenic climate change. They're currently in charge. The American public didn't see that as an important enough issue in 2024.

They are forcing power companies to run coal plants that they don’t want to run (at a loss).

And invading countries to take the oil which the oil companies don’t want
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