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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Current Pixels are 7 years (showcased in the links I provided), not sure why you're claiming 6. Apple doesn't claim EoS but also hasn't provided longer than 7. Apple makes no such guarantees, so it's not something anyone can depend on.

My point is that right now I have one that is 6 years old. If Google develops a track record of supporting phones that long my stance will change. Also Google is the posterchild for canceling support.

That's my point. Google has commitment to support for the same timeframe. Google has zero track record of reducing support as Pixels have continued to be rolled out. This is the one area Google has been consistent in a positive direction.

Beyond that, there's no guarantee Apple continues to support for 7 years. They are literally the same level of corporate greed as Google.

Also... Apple has locked all of their users into planned obsolescence for a decade plus. At least their is hope on the slightly more open side with AOSP.

Apple is a poster child of nothing. They have put out hardware that is inaccessible and unrepairable for years. Both companies suck to their end users, let's not pretend Apple is some utopia of awesome to their customers.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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MicroG has two huge advantages: you can inspect the code it's running, and you're not tied to Google services. For example you can replace the location service with a privacy respecting one. With the sandboxed play you can't do that, you're stuck with the Google version. The only thing you still need Google for is the push notifications, because the backend of the apps only speaks to them. It would be amazing if grap…

> you can inspect the code it's running That's only true for microG itself, not the Google blobs it needs to download and execute in order to function. GmsCompat on GrapheneOS is also fully open source.[1] > For example you can replace the location service with a privacy respecting one. GrapheneOS literally does that.[2] It's currently not perfect in regard to privacy because they are using Apple's Wi-Fi positioning…

> they are using Apple's Wi-Fi positioning service, but proxying it through their own servers

My concern with this system is that their proxy is (afaik) compatible with Google's format, which by default is less privacy respecting as it does the location calculation server side and doesn't allow the client to cache.

I'd much prefer if they called out to Apple's servers directly (or through a direct proxy) & cached the AP data locally so over time it will work offline.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Thank you, to you and the rest of the team, for your work on GrapheneOS! If I may make a suggestion: as GrapheneOS becomes more popular, perhaps it's time to better establish users' trust in the control over it. When the project was primarily you, who was already known for technical prowess and a principled exit from a different project, that was enough for many enthusiasts. But as both the team and the user base hav…

> When the project was primarily you, who was already known for technical prowess and a principled exit from a different project, that was enough for many enthusiasts. There was no principled exit from a project but rather from a company. GrapheneOS started in 2014 and was previously called CopperheadOS. We still use multiple of the 2015 era GitHub repositories. A company which I co-founded in 2015 where I still own…

Are there other ways that you can increase trust, that you would feel good about?

Most people are cavalier about tech trust, because that's easy or they don't know any better, and often they really don't care.

But it seems the base for GrapheneOS is people who care, and a lot of them (not all) care about trustworthiness (not just annoyances).

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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> so I'm stuck using a bank card like a caveman. What is "caveman" about a payment method that doesn't need to have a charged battery?

It was intended as a light hearted description of how it feels to use a marginally less convenient technology. I now have to ensure I have my bank card with me when I buy groceries which is a tiny bit annoying when you got used to just knowing your phone would cover most things.

I guess that's a technology I never adopted in the first place, so I can't relate. Futzing around with my phone never felt more convenient than pulling out a card. I still needed my wallet for my ID and cash, so a couple cards is hardly a meaningful burden. To each their own, I suppose.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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> you can inspect the code it's running That's only true for microG itself, not the Google blobs it needs to download and execute in order to function. GmsCompat on GrapheneOS is also fully open source.[1] > For example you can replace the location service with a privacy respecting one. GrapheneOS literally does that.[2] It's currently not perfect in regard to privacy because they are using Apple's Wi-Fi positioning…

> they are using Apple's Wi-Fi positioning service, but proxying it through their own servers My concern with this system is that their proxy is (afaik) compatible with Google's format, which by default is less privacy respecting as it does the location calculation server side and doesn't allow the client to cache. I'd much prefer if they called out to Apple's servers directly (or through a direct proxy) & cached the…

No, this is incorrect. The GrapheneOS NetworkLocation client (https://github.com/GrapheneOS/platform_packages_apps_Network...) is using Apple's request format and performing the calculations locally, similar to how it's done on iPhones. The proxy is just an entry in the nginx config: https://github.com/GrapheneOS/grapheneos.org/blob/main/nginx...

The data is cached for roughly 15 minutes. https://grapheneos.org/features#:~:text=It%20caches%20the%20...

GrapheneOS plans to scrape Apple's database and make it downloadable, so Wi-fi positioning could be done fully locally.

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Lenovo has faced multiple serious scandals and negative incidents that have significantly damaged its reputation, particularly around security, customer trust, and transparency.

    Adware Scandal (2015): Lenovo pre-installed Superfish VisualSearch on thousands of laptops, which injected ads into web searches and installed a universal self-signed root certificate. This allowed man-in-the-middle (MITM) attacks, exposing users’ encrypted traffic—including passwords and banking details—to anyone on the same network. The private key for this certificate was identical across all affected devices, making it trivial for attackers to exploit. Lenovo initially denied the threat, claimed the software was safe, and only issued a removal tool after intense public and media backlash. Even then, the tool removed the adware but left the dangerous root certificate in place, giving users a false sense of security.

    UEFI and Firmware Backdoors (2015–2025): Lenovo shipped laptops with UEFI-based installers that could reinstall software even after a full OS reformat. Security researchers found persistent firmware-level malware that could not be removed by standard reinstallation. In 2025, reports from Bloomberg suggested U.S. military investigators found backdoored chips in Lenovo motherboards capable of logging keystrokes and transmitting data—though Lenovo denied knowledge.

    ThinkPad Spyware (2015): Lenovo was found to have pre-installed Omniture software (a web analytics tool) on ThinkPad and ThinkCentre devices, which collected detailed user behavior data, including keystrokes and browsing habits. This was done without clear user consent and sparked privacy concerns.

    Customer Service Failures and Refusal to Refund (2022–2026): Multiple users report fraudulent replacement practices, such as sending lower-spec laptops than ordered (e.g., a 1TB SSD instead of 2TB), refusing refunds, and ignoring customer complaints. One user reported being denied a refund for over a year despite returning a defective gaming laptop, with Lenovo repeatedly failing to respond or escalate cases—even after threats of legal action.

    Product Misrepresentation and Delayed Shipments (2022): Customers reported false delivery timelines—such as a Cyber Monday order taking over a month to ship—leading to missed deliveries and poor communication. One Reddit user called it a "scam" due to misleading advertising and unresponsive support.

    Security and Trust Erosion: The repeated pattern of pre-installing dangerous software, ignoring security warnings, and failing to act responsibly has led to widespread distrust. Experts and users alike now warn that Lenovo devices may be compromised at the firmware level, and many advise avoiding Lenovo products for sensitive or secure tasks. 
These incidents reflect a recurring pattern of security negligence, poor customer service, and questionable business practices, raising serious concerns about Lenovo’s integrity and long-term reliability.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Valid concerns. I must point out though, that if we are worried about hardware backdoors, then Zhengzhou, "the iPhone City", is also in China, even if Apple is in the US.

When it comes to telecom products I'm less worried, though not entirely content, with products that are developed in the West and manufactured in China, than products developed by the Chinese.

I'm with you there, and wouldn't mind if we can ever onshore this stuff.

Still though, when it gets to the point where we're using "Designed in California" as a source of security comfort, things are bleak.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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I'm aware of what happened, and I'm getting GOS news directly, not from HN. However, you're still the biggest contributor of code to GOS (judging by commit history). That's what I meant.

I'm not anywhere close to the biggest contributor of code to GrapheneOS. Do you think the account listed as the committer is the one writing it? That's not the author of the code, it's the account used to approve it.

I see. So it's a Linus Torvalds kind of situation? That makes sense, thanks.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Many people will are reading this comment on completely Lenovo(Chinese)-owned Thinkpad laptop. If you are worried about devices made in/by Chinese then good luck. Personally i am now more worried about US corps feed my phone data to Palantir.

I'm calling out Graphene for dealing with a Chinese- owned company instead of US or Euro-owned vendor. There is a difference between manufacturing parts and components in China, and the entire design/development, production, assembly, and maintenance being owned by a Chinese-owned vendor. Not to mention that by their actions Graphene are aiding an economic and political adversary develop more secure devices.

Adversary? Unsure if you've been living under a rock, but the US and Europe are the ones starting wаrs and destabilizing half the world. They are the actual bad guys.

I'll get a Chinese company's phone over an American or Euro company's phone (is the latter ever a thing?) any day.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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what's it called? searching Settings for "pulse", "width", and "modulation" all produce no results.

Settings → Accessibility → Display & Text Size → Reduce White Point Also Display Pulse Smoothing (PWM) if you're on Tahoe.

Thank you!
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