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Post by ddevnyc »

Balinares wrote: post #782
latexr wrote: post #612

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> you get hired for your proven ability to (…) No, you get hired for your perceived ability to (…) The world is full of Juliuses, which is a big reason everything sucks. https://ploum.net/2024-12-23-julius-en.html

Oh, Julius. Haven't we all met a Julius. Story! Long ago, very long ago, I was working at a tiny Web company. Not very technical, though the designers were solid and the ops competent. We once ended up hosting a site that came under a bit of national attention during an event that this site had news about. The link started circulating broadly, the URL mentioned on TV, and the site immediately buckled under the load.…

I've met countless Juliuses over the years. I kept track of the companies, and the Juliuses. My biggest revelation is that every company that was being in some substantial capacity led by a Julius (either at C level, VP, or high up in management) ended up one of two ways:

1. Shut down or shutting down (e.g. team reduced by > 50% since I've been there)

2. Julius removed, endlessly seeking work, keeps getting fired, and can't find a place to call home

The meteoric rise of the Julius is an exception - sooner or later their lucky streak ends and they face the cliff of adversity, towering above them with no way to climb it - no skills to help him actually do it.

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Post by spacechild1 »

beernet wrote: post #879
rolymath wrote: post #781

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> Listen to... Lex People can do that? I always assumed Lex was a CIA psyop to experiment with the ability to make people sleep on demand.

While that might take it a little too far, Lex surely is a dangerous individual. On various occasions did he sympathize with the war and terror that Russia is doing in Ukraine. I do not click on any of his content because I will not support these (and a few other questionable, to say the least) views of his. Also his image of an MIT researcher is hilarious.

Yes. How do so many people fall for this guy? I find him pretty creepy, to be honest.

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Post by elicash »

hadlock wrote: post #202
piker wrote: post #3

Did this guy just exit the first one man billion-dollar startup for... less than a billion?

Everyone is going to have their own flavor of Open Claw within 18 months. The memory architecture (and the general concept of the multi-tiered system) is open source. There's no moat to this kind of thing. But OpenAI is happy to trade his star power for money. And he might build something cool with suddenly unlimited resources. I don't blame the guy. OpenAI is going to change hands 2-3 times over the next 5 years but…

Maybe there's a liability moat where large companies can't ship something that's risky enough to be useful?

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by ungovernableCat »

AJRF wrote: post #29

The amount of negative posts about this on twitter is crazy, I've not seen any positive posts. Jealousy or something else?

It's a general anxiety of where the industry is headed. Things like marketing, personal branding, experimenting are increasing in relevance while things like detailed meticulous engineering are falling to the wayside.

At least when it comes to these tales of super fast rise to wealth and prominence. Meticulous engineering still matters when you want to deliver scale, but is it rewarded as much?

My feel is that the attention economy is leaking into software. Maybe the classic bimodal distribution of software careers will become increasingly more like the distribution in social-media things like streaming, youtube, onlyfans etc.

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Post by neop1x »

tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

Good for him! But it is possible he won't stay there for a long time. Like Geohot at Apple. There is a difference between working on a fun project which you completely control and being under a constant pressure and having to follow constrains and requirements set by managers in a corporation.

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Post by ass22 »

alephnerd wrote: post #377
ass22 wrote: post #375

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"build a hugely popular tool" Define hugely popular relative to the scale of users of OAI... personally this thread is the first time Ive heard of openclaw.

The tech industry is broad, and if you are using OpenAI in a consumer and personal manner you weren't the primary persona amongst whom the conversation around OpenClaw occurred. Additionally, much of the conversation I've seen was amongst practitioners and Mid/Upper Level Management who are already heavy users of AI/ML and heavy users of Executive Assistants. There is a reason why if you aren't in a Tier 1 tech hub l…

This is so cringe lmao.

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Post by lbrito »

rolymath wrote: post #781
mmaunder wrote: post #491

Good move. OpenClaw is alpha quality, very dangerous, super useful and super fun - which amplifies the danger. It’s a disaster waiting to happen and a massive risk for a solo dev to take on. So best to trade it for a killer job offer and transfer all that risk. To get a sense of what this guy was going through listen to the first 30 mins of Lex’s recent interview with him. The cybersquatting and token/crypto bullshit…

> Listen to... Lex People can do that? I always assumed Lex was a CIA psyop to experiment with the ability to make people sleep on demand.

He's just another alt right podcast grifter.

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Post by pphysch »

swat535 wrote: post #858
pnt12 wrote: post #635

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Fully disagree. There's lots of people that won't care about the code: executives, managers, customers etc. If the engineers don't care either, then who cares? If we compare with big food companies, that's like their food formula. No one thinks it's useless - it's the source code for the product they sell. Yet nowadays we get so many engineers distancing themselves away from the code, like the software formula doesn'…

Based on the interview format these days, I beg to differ. If this were true, we wouldn't be studying Leet code and inverting binary trees to get a job. I guess the lesson here is that unless you have a direct line with upper management to skip the line, you'll be stuck grinding algorithms for the rest of your life.

Leet code interviews are in the spirit of filtering out charlatans who misrepresent having even basic programming fundamentals. Many interviewers take it too far, but the original motivation is essential to saving time in the hiring process. I was instantly converted after participating in the full hiring process for a junior dev, which didn't properly filter for programming skill.

Big companies may have separate hiring SWE departments where the initial interviewers don't even know what team or role you may land in, so they have to resort to something...

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