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Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by throwaway85825 »

nabla9 wrote: post #327

Apple’s App Store profits on commissions from digital sales Revenue $32 B Operating Costs $7 B [1] Estimated Profit $25 B Operating Margin ~78% [1] R&D, security, hosting, human review, and including building and maintaining developer tools Xcode, APIs, and SDKs. Apple could take just 7% cut and still make 20% profits. Fun Fact: During the Epic trial, it was revealed that Apple's profit margins on the App Store were…

All of this could be solved easily if developers were allowed to pass on the apple tax to consumers and advertise discounts for not using the App Store. No one wants to pay more for nothing.

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Post by advisedwang »

jojobas wrote: post #37
advisedwang wrote: post #10

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Apple needs this to stay afloat, you know

Poe's law hit me hard.

Some people say that Apple is wildly profitable and has more money than it can spend. But if profit goes down, even if it remains huge, then Apple stock takes a blow. And stockholders are who really this is all about. So really increasing profit a few percent a year is truly just barely keeping the head above the water.

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Post by jama211 »

gumby271 wrote: post #769
jama211 wrote: post #753

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Google play store and steam are the same. This is regulatory. Hating a company for maximising profits is really something you should aim at legislation to control unchecked capitalism.

Except neither of those two are the exclusive way to install software on a computer that you own. All 3 have their issues, but Apple is uniquely bad in this way. I don't find myself Hating Steam/Valve.

It functionally is for most users with android phones. 99% of people aren’t side loading apps.

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Post by jama211 »

leokennis wrote: post #242
ethanrutherford wrote: post #23

Always hated apple for their putrid business practices. Add this to the pile.

Apple making sure to stay in lock step with the US' general decline into late stage capitalist decline.

When one person acts up it’s a person problem. When everyone acts up it’s a system problem.

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Post by jama211 »

Manuel_D wrote: post #755
jama211 wrote: post #750

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Well said. Glad to see this at the top. Google also takes 30%. And I think steam too. This is 100% a regulatory issue.

But competitors to Steam exist: Epic Games Store only takes a 12% cut. Publishers have an option to use other distributors but choose not to.

Sure, and you can buy an android phone and use the play store instead and still get charged 30%. Or you could sideload, but let’s be real 99.9% of users aren’t gonna do that, and similarly most gamers are gonna buy everything on steam.

The exceptions here prove the rule I’m afraid, if anything.

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Post by jama211 »

nabla9 wrote: post #365
wosined wrote: post #343

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But people still use/buy it so why would they cut the cost?

There is no ideological argument for voluntary action here. The entire goal is to force regulators to step in. The debate over 'good vs. bad companies' is just online noise and rhetorical trik, no one on either side of the political spectrum wants these systems to be fixed voluntarily with corporate altruism.

Well said.

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Post by jama211 »

rpdillon wrote: post #612
NewsaHackO wrote: post #381

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But what are they even doing for regulators to have to step in? Making profits from someone selling their product in your market seems pretty valid to me. Are you saying this is anticompetitive to other possible app store storefronts like Google Play or something?

Just to ground the discussion in Apple's criminal behavior a bit, here's some excerpts from a 2025 ruling about Apple's behavior in this regard: > Apple’s response to the Injunction strains credulity. After two sets of evidentiary hearings, the truth emerged. Apple, despite knowing its obligations thereunder, thwarted the Injunction’s goals, and continued its anticompetitive conduct solely to maintain its revenue str…

If you’re gonna cherry pick from that case, I’m not sure it’s going to go in your favour, as others have demonstrated.

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Post by jama211 »

direwolf20 wrote: post #761
jama211 wrote: post #748

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30% is also the cut google takes on the google play store. This is not an apple only issue. This is a regulatory one.

Google allows out–of–store installation (for now...) so it's much easier to argue there's competition. Apps installed through F–Droid don't have this tax.

And in the EU alternative app stores are allowed on iphone as well. In both cases, it’s a near negligible amount of people that use them. Your exceptions prove the rule, if anything.

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Post by jama211 »

Spoom wrote: post #590
silvestrov wrote: post #527

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You could make the argument that Patreon isn't much more than a banking app. It just focuses on the receiver of the money than the sender. I think Apple is slowly killing apps with this policy. Everybody will slowly move to "web only" as 30% would kill their ability to compete with anybody else. This will likely be much stronger in countries where iPhones do not have the same market share as in the US.

> Everybody will slowly move to "web only" as 30% would kill their ability to compete with anybody else. Frankly, yes, please. I mean, I'm biased as my whole career is in web app development, but there are so many things these days that do not need a whole native app . They're just communicating with a server backend somewhere, using none of the unique native functionality of the phone (much of which is available in…

As a user please for the love of god to not make me use a stupid mobile browser for everything. Native apps are so much better.

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Post by xg15 »

plufz wrote: post #263
supernes wrote: post #210

How long until they make the argument that they're entitled to 30% of your salary because you use Apple hardware to do your work?

But what about my banking app! I think it’s only fair Apple take 30% on every transaction I make. After all they put in a huge amount of work validating and making sure my banking app is safe and functional. Edit: Maybe I am greedy now, but it would be nice if large transactions like say buying a house only would cost me a 15% transaction fee to Apple.

Think about it this way: without the app, 100% of your savings would be inaccessible, so it would be only fair if apple took 30% of them...
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