This reminds me that I really like self-hosting. While it is true that many of things do not work, all my services do work. It has some tradeoffs of course.
Cloudflare Global Network experiencing issues
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#912How did we get to a place where either Cloudflare or AWS having an outage means a large part of the web going down? This centralization is very worrying.
We take the idea of the internet always being on for granted. Most people don’t understand the stack and assume that when sites go down it’s isolated, and although I agree with you, it’s just as much complacency and lack of oversight and enforcement delays in bureaucracy as it is centralization. But I guess that’s kind of the umbrella to those things… lol
Re: Cloudflare Global Network experiencing issues
#913How did we get to a place where either Cloudflare or AWS having an outage means a large part of the web going down? This centralization is very worrying.
5 mins. of thought to figure out why these services exist?
Dialogue about mitigations/solutions? Alternative services? High availability strategies?
Nah! It's free to complain.
Me personally, I'd say those companies do a phenomenal job by being a de facto backbone of the modern web. Also Cloudflare, in particular, gives me a lot of things for free.
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#914How did we get to a place where either Cloudflare or AWS having an outage means a large part of the web going down? This centralization is very worrying.
I recommend this Ben Thompson piece on why resiliency has declined: https://stratechery.com/2025/resiliency-and-scale/
Re: Cloudflare Global Network experiencing issues
#915How did we get to a place where either Cloudflare or AWS having an outage means a large part of the web going down? This centralization is very worrying.
Re: Cloudflare it is because developers actively pushed "just use Cloudflare" again and again and again.
It has been dead to me since the SSL cache vulnerability thing and the arrogance with which senior people expected others to solve their problems.
But consider how many people still do stupid things like use the default CDN offered by some third party library, or use google fonts directly; people are lazy and don't care.
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#916There's something maliciously satisfying about seeing your own self-hosted stuff working while things behind Cloudflare or AWS are broken. Sure, they have like four more nines that me, but right now I'm sitting pretty.
This is a real problem for some some “old-school enterprise” companies that use Oracle, SAP, etc. along with the new AWS/CF based services. They are all waiting around for new apps to come back up while their Oracle suite/SAP are still functioning. There is a lesson here for some of these new companies selling to old-school companies.
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#917I didn’t see anyone comment this directly, but something these recent outages made me wonder, having spent a good chunk of my career in 24/7 tech support, is that I can’t even fathom the amount of people who have been:
- restarting their routers and computers instead of taking their morning shower, getting their morning coffee, taking their medication on time because they’re freaking out, etc. - calling ISPs in a furious mood not knowing it’s a service in the stack and not the provider’s fault (maybe) - being late for work in general - getting into arguments with friends and family and coworkers about politics and economics - being interrupted making their jerk chicken
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#918Whenever I try collapse root threads on this page it locks up the browser for 5+ seconds. Windows 11, latest Edge browser, 64GB of RAM, 13th Gen i7.
>Windows 11, latest Edge browser
There's your issue
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#919ChatGPT was down so I couldn't work, go to lichess, turns out, it's down too now what do i do?
your username makes me wonder what exactly your job is, and what you need ChatGPT for
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#920My static website hosted on cloudflare works :/