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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by peterashford »

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #719
mjburgess wrote: post #690

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I think at the moment a term like "genocide" is still floating free from the reality of what that term means. Here's an interview with a senior UNICEF worker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsAo2j6aih0 I think after that I can't imagine the question, "will this impact israel?" makes any sense. They're deliberately perpetrating a genocide. It's real. It's the deliberate and systematic murder of two million people. I…

There's no murder of two million. There's at most, according to Hamas itself, 60,000 dead out of which 10,000 were hamas militants. This is a regular ugly war. If Israel wanted to kill two million, they could've done it already. It seemingly doesn't matter how accurate Israel tried to be, they call genocide either way.

No. The Hamas death toll figures are just the identified dead. They don't include people buried under rubble or who died from secondary effects (health system collapse, starvation, disease). Plenty of sources think the deaths are in the hundreds of thousands.

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Post by leoh »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #900
velcrohn wrote: post #885

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What does de-escalation look like in Gaza? Allowing Hamas to regroup and re-arm, so they can repeat October 7 as they publicly promised to do?

A newly created throwaway account, repeating the prop of a genocidal military. Surely you can do better than this.

Actually it's quite a good point, because no one in this thread has suggested a sustainable long-term solution for this mutual madness. Hamas without question wishes for the total destruction of Israel.

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Post by vFunct »

protocolture wrote: post #369
deanCommie wrote: post #284

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And that was always known to have been a counter-productive protest. There's nothing ironic about this. They were told. They didn't care. It was unambiguously clear that no matter how bad you felt Obama/Biden/Harris were on Israel, Trump was/would be worse. If every single human life is worth saving (and it is), it's indisputable that Trump is worse for Gaza than Harris would have been. It was the ultimate Trolley Pr…

The Dems being willing to lose elections rather than meet voter expectations, says more about them than it does any particular voting or non voting group.

Why would Dems want Zionists to win?

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Post by vFunct »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #862
deanCommie wrote: post #284

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And that was always known to have been a counter-productive protest. There's nothing ironic about this. They were told. They didn't care. It was unambiguously clear that no matter how bad you felt Obama/Biden/Harris were on Israel, Trump was/would be worse. If every single human life is worth saving (and it is), it's indisputable that Trump is worse for Gaza than Harris would have been. It was the ultimate Trolley Pr…

Yup. What's happening is horrible, but that doesn't mean there are better options. History has a very clear lesson: When Israel is harsh fewer Israelis die. When Israel is nice more Israelis die. The lesson has been repeated many times. Multiple times Israel has permitted the world to cram appeasement down it's throat, every time has made it worse for Israel. Want peace over there, make peace not bring problems for I…

This just means Israel is an ultra-violent society.

So really the only hope for peace is the elimination of the state of Israel and to return the land to Muslims.

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Post by vFunct »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #864
rubzah wrote: post #771

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Yeah, that never happened.

And why in the world do you think it didn't? I haven't seen the particular video he's referring to but I've seen enough that I do not find his claim unreasonable. Remember that 47 minutes of video Israel was screening for reporters but did not release? They've gotten permission from some of the families and have released part of it. You definitely see people being killed on camera. And the really important part isn't…

Because it would be in the Hamas-massacre.net site if it was real. That's an IDF run site. They can't even confirm any rape victims on that site. They only have non-confirmed allegations on that site.

And, no, they didn't get permission from any of the other victims families to publish on that site.

So, the IDF literally has no direct confirmation of rape.

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therobots927 wrote: post #819
vFunct wrote: post #812

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This is the first time that I’ve even seen an article like this survive longer than a half hour on this platform. And the strong response of the HN user base is clearly organic - there is obviously a desire to discuss the ongoing genocide. But there is a concerted effort to censor us through coordinated flagging of articles and comments. I’m glad this made it through so we can all see just how much we are being censo…

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Post by adastra22 »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #817
adastra22 wrote: post #687

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Having a difference of opinion on a very complicated geopolitical situation that is the culmination of a century of regional conflict is not being a "hateful bigot" or abuse.

> Having a difference of opinion on a very complicated geopolitical situation that is the culmination of a century of regional conflict is not being a "hateful bigot" or abuse. i think it's worth stating simply and unequivocally that denying or defending a genocide that is the culmination of a century of colonialism and apartheid is Bad

The situation on the ground is far more complex than your simplified summary.

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Post by burnt-resistor »

beloch wrote: post #87
therobots927 wrote: post #60

I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.

Flipping the U.S. really is the key to ending this conflict. The U.S. reliably uses its security council veto to nix any meaningful UN response and the U.S. remains, by far, the biggest supplier of arms to the IDF. If the US were to stop veto'ing everything and cut off the IDF's supply of, at least, some types of weapons, the new ground assault would likely end quickly. Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen. Net…

Have to ban AIPAC and all PACs first but good luck removing the hogs (elected officials) feeding at the troughs of money, gold bars, and bot army support. John McCain tried campaign finance reform but that didn't fly, and it's all been downhill since the abolition of the Tillman Act and the terrible ruling of Citizens' United.
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