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Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by 1gn15 »

qwery wrote: post #534
eqvinox wrote: post #412

TFA — and most comments here — seem to completely miss what I thought was the main point of Anubis: it counters the crawler's "identity scattering"/sybil'ing/parallel crawling. Any access will fall into either of the following categories: - client with JS and cookies. In this case the server now has an identity to apply rate limiting to, from the cookie. Humans should never hit it, but crawlers will be slowed down im…

Yes, I think you're right. The commentary about its (presumed, imagined) effectiveness is very much making the assumption that it's designed to be an impenetrable wall[0] -- i.e. prevent bots from accessing the content entirely. I think TFA is generally quite good and has something of a good point about the economics of the situation, but finding the math shake out that way should, perhaps, lead one to question their…

> In other words, who said the websites in question wanted to entirely prevent crawlers from accessing them? The answer is: no one. Web crawlers are and have been fundamental to accessing the web for decades. So why are we talking about trying to do that?

I agree, but the advertising is the whole issue. "Checking to see you're not a bot!" and all that.

Therefore some people using Anubis expect it to be an impenetrable wall, to "block AI scrapers", especially those that believe it's a way for them to be excluded from training data.

It's why just a few days ago there was a HN frontpage post of someone complaining that "AI scrapers have learnt to get past Anubis".

But that is a fight that one will never win (analog hole as the nuclear option).

If it said something like "Wait 5 seconds, our servers are busy!", I would think that people's expectations will be more accurate.

As a robot I'm really not that sympathetic to anti-bot language backfiring on humans. I have to look away every time it comes up on my screen. If they changed their language and advertising, I'll be more sympathetic -- it's not as if I disagree that overloading servers for not much benefit is bad!

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by 1gn15 »

DanielHB wrote: post #769
wraptile wrote: post #689

I'm a scraper developer and Anubis would have worked 10 - 20 years ago, but now all broad scrapers run on a real headless browser with full cookie support and costs relatively nothing in compute. I'd be surprised if LLM bots would use anything else given the fact that they have all of this compute and engineers already available. That being said, one point is very correct here - by far the best effort to resist broad…

How do you bypass cloudflare? I do some light scrapping for some personal stuff, but I can't figure out how to bypass it. Like do you randomize IPs using several VPNs at the same time? I usually just sit there on my phone pressing the "I am not a robot box" when it triggers.

I use Camoufox for the browser and "playwright-captcha" for the CAPTCHA solving action. It's not fully reliable but it works.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by 1gn15 »

Aachen wrote: post #867
scratchyone wrote: post #409

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this kinda proves the entire project doesn't work if they have to resort to manual IP blocking lol

Doesn't have to be black or white. You can have a much easier challenge for regular visitors if you block the only (and giant) party that has implemented a solver so far. We can work on both fronts at once...

The point is that it isn't "implementing a solver", it's just using a browser and waiting a few seconds.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by deanishe »

integralid wrote: post #844
troyvit wrote: post #786

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Nothing says, "Change out the logo for something that doesn't make my clients tingle in an uncomfortable way" like the MIT license.

I wonder why the anime girl is received so badly. Is it because it's seen as childish? Is it bad because it confuses people (i.e. don't do this because other don't do this)? Thinking about it logically, putting some "serious" banner there would just make everything a bit more grey and boring and would make no functional difference. So why is it disliked so much?

The GitHub unicorn doesn't look as if it came out of a furry dev's wank bank.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by ericpp »

integralid wrote: post #844
troyvit wrote: post #786

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Nothing says, "Change out the logo for something that doesn't make my clients tingle in an uncomfortable way" like the MIT license.

I wonder why the anime girl is received so badly. Is it because it's seen as childish? Is it bad because it confuses people (i.e. don't do this because other don't do this)? Thinking about it logically, putting some "serious" banner there would just make everything a bit more grey and boring and would make no functional difference. So why is it disliked so much?

I'm glad that they kept the anime girl rather than replacing her with a sterile message. The Internet should be a fun place again.

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Post by overfeed »

palata wrote: post #829
cakealert wrote: post #809

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It would appear most of the people commenting on the subject don't even understand it. With privacy preserving cryptography the tokens are standalone and have no ties to the identity that spawned them. No enforcement for abuse is possible.

Right, that's my feeling as well

While it's the privacy advocate's ideal, the politics reality is very few governments will deploy "privacy preserving" cryptography that gets in the way of LE investigations[1]. The best you can hope for is some escrowed service that requires a warrant to unmask the identity for any given token, so privacy is preserved in most cases, and against most parties except law enforcement when there's a valid warrant.

1. They can do it overtly in thr design of the system, or covertly via side-channels, logging, or leaking bits in ways that are hard for an outsider to investigate without access to the complete source code and or/system outputs, such as not-quite-random pseudo-randoms.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by guappa »

Aachen wrote: post #779
guappa wrote: post #558

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And now they're using us to train car driving AI :(

I don't mind car driving AI, why the sad face? Maybe autonomous train training would be even cooler but it's not like improving tobacco products that only have downsides

I mind working for free.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by PeterStuer »

sintax wrote: post #808
PeterStuer wrote: post #493

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Officially sanctioned 2fa tied to your official government ID. Over here we have "It's me" [1]. Yes, you can in theory still use your ID card with a usb cardreader for accessing gov services, but good luck finding up to date drivers for your OS or use a mobile etc. [1] https://www.itsme-id.com/en-BE/

Except that itsme crap is not from the government and doesn't support activation on anything but a Windows / Mac machine. No Linux support at all, while the Belgian government stuff (CSAM) supports Linux just fine.

It is from the banks that leveraged their KYC but was adopted very broadly by gov and many other id required or linked services. AFAIK it does not need a computer to activate besides your phone and one of those bank issued 2FA challange card readers.

For CSAM, also AFAIK, first 'activation' includes a visit to your local municipality to verify your identity. Unless you go via itsme, as it is and authorized CSAM key holder.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by phito »

swores wrote: post #587
phito wrote: post #486

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In Europe we have itsme. You link the phone app to your ID, then you can use it to scan QR codes to log into websites.

"In Europe" is technically true but makes it sound more widely used than I believe it to be... though maybe my knowledge is out of date. Their website lists 24 supported countries (including some non-EU like UK and Norway, and missing a few of the 27 EU countries) - https://www.itsme-id.com/en-GB/coverage But does it actually have much use outside of Belgium? Certainly in the UK I've never come across anyone, governm…

Oh I wasn't aware of that. I remember a Dutch friend talking to me about a similar app they had. Maybe they have a re-branded version of it?

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by palata »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #882
palata wrote: post #859

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Not even: the government is supposed to provide you with more than one token (how would you verify yourself as a human to more than one website otherwise?)

The idea would be a connection requires the key so you could both verify at more than one website and be limited to one instance per website.

If you use the same token on more than one website, it's not privacy-preserving anymore.
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