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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by dmonitor »

meindnoch wrote: post #404
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

> - making cringe hardware that basically noone purchased (Zune, Windows Phone)

Add the most recent lineup of Xbox consoles to this

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by snoman »

zamalek wrote: post #601
sho_hn wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even among tech people, they have good will Wait, do they? I mostly remember: - A neglected desktop OS with slowly deteriorating quality - Aimless products like the Vision Pro that seems to have failed as the "get the devs excited" premium SDK launch everyone described it as - Rocky start issues on Apple Intelligence, nerfed Siri, etc. - Unexciting iPhone launch and lots of ridicule levied on Liquid Glass It's the…

> > Wait, do they? The echo chamber is still reverberating. People say that MacOS is good because other people have told them so. The people claiming that is better don't have an earnest effort outside of the ecosystem to support their claims. I was forced to use MacOS at work up until a little over 1.5 years ago, I have perspective on both, and it is categorically incompetent. It doesn't hold a candle to dev on Linu…

I’ve used Windows at work for years, my personal/gaming machine is Linux (mint), my personal/development machine is MacOS.

They’re all perfectly viable options with strengths and weaknesses. None of them are especially great. I’m partial to MacOS, personally.

It’s willful ignorance to think that the many millions of people that like MacOS are just parroting what they’ve been told.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by whoknowsidont »

NullCascade wrote: post #569
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

It's funny. Nobody complains that there is a lack of free multi-platform desktop GUI profiling tools for Go, Python, Ruby, Elixir etc. Somehow we just accept those languages are only for web services, web apps, and command-line utilities. What is the problem with Microsoft keeping "nice to have" desktop GUI stuff for their own proprietary ecosystem when everything else has open sourced? Including the primitives neede…

Yeah guys, what's the difference between organic projects that have been open source since the start and a global technology conglomerate open sourcing things later that compete for mind share against those projects.

What could be the difference? Oh dear, I just can't think of anything.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pjmlp »

codingdave wrote: post #233

I've been in a three different scenarios where I worked for independent companies under the umbrella of a large parent organization. In all 3, the leadership left or was fired, and the remainder of the company was merged into a division of the parent company. The product quality went to shit in all 3 scenarios. There were different reasons and nuances to them all, but all 3 boiled down to one common factor. Instead o…

That is an universal truth in acquisitions, it has also been my experience, in all my career I also have been through multiple of them, and after three years on average, the original culture is gone, and everything starts going bad and slowly it is time to leave or hold on until there is a good opportunity to jump ship.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by rkomorn »

snoman wrote: post #912
zamalek wrote: post #601

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> > Wait, do they? The echo chamber is still reverberating. People say that MacOS is good because other people have told them so. The people claiming that is better don't have an earnest effort outside of the ecosystem to support their claims. I was forced to use MacOS at work up until a little over 1.5 years ago, I have perspective on both, and it is categorically incompetent. It doesn't hold a candle to dev on Linu…

I’ve used Windows at work for years, my personal/gaming machine is Linux (mint), my personal/development machine is MacOS. They’re all perfectly viable options with strengths and weaknesses. None of them are especially great. I’m partial to MacOS, personally. It’s willful ignorance to think that the many millions of people that like MacOS are just parroting what they’ve been told.

> It’s willful ignorance to think that the many millions of people that like MacOS are just parroting what they’ve been told.

This is so entirely true.

I've installed so many different Linux distributions (and multiple Windows versions) on my personal laptop. Currently noodling around with NixOS.

I've never been tempted by a non-macOS laptop for work.

Whatever faults macOS has, it is very good at staying out of my way for getting work done, and all the small ancillary bits (eg webcam and audio support for chatting) have worked flawlessly for me for two decades. I cannot say the same about either Windows or Linux.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by whoknowsidont »

ozim wrote: post #587
yread wrote: post #203

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Why do people need to create anthropomorphising narratives around companies? Don't be any company's cheerleader, use the stuff that's best for you (and the environment)

I built my career on MSFT stack I am going to be their cheerleader, don't want them to go down or stagnate as I would have to switch stack. I don't understand people who are just consumers and have no actual business to root for MSFT or AAPL or any other company.

>I don't understand people who are just consumers

They're not just consumers, they're actual engineers. People who simp for companies like MS are just acolytes in developer's clothing.

If you only know one stack from one company, then you built your career on esoteric, arbitrary knowledge. Not on engineering things.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pjmlp »

leoc wrote: post #218

I've seen enough: as the recognised authority and designated responsible person ;) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7525256 I'm officially recognising this as the final end of 2010s Cool Microsoft. > 74 points by leoc on April 3, 2014 | parent | context | favorite | on: Microsoft Open Sources C# Compiler > Well, here we are then. This now officially the standard play for formerly-dominating computer-platform firm…

I kind of agree, I was there when Apple was showing up at CERN IT trying to sell OS X a great UNIX workstation, and also though .NET was going to be fully open source, and to this day we have to thank the community efforts from Avalonia and Uno, for the actual GUI frameworks that support all major consumer OSes.

Also Microsoft lost a big opportunity with Unity (not helping them updating .NET) and killing off XNA, two major ways how kids get into .NET.

That coupled with Unity's mismanagement, means indies are more likely to keep using C++ based engines like Godot or Defold, and losing yet another adoption vector. Yes Godot does support C#, but GDscript is winning the heart of indie devs.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by parasense »

pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

I'm not sure what you mean by some of the things you write, but the part about Microsoft being "cool guy phase" was hilarious.

I'd say Microsoft buying GitHub was part of a strategy to not lose relevance in the world that moves slowly towards Open Source Software. Or put another way, the world moves in a direction away from Microsoft, and by capturing GitHub they can manipulate the outcomes that would otherwise have been adversarial to Microsoft interests. It's just like when Microsoft forked Java back in the 1990s, and later created .NET. The whole VSCode or Visual Studio thing... it's just Microsoft Word for software engineers, and the whole point is to create an ecosystem that locks people into the ecosystem.

To think in terms of what Microsoft does, you have to step back and look into economic theory, at least a little bit. There is this idea in economics about isolated economies, and integrated economies. For example, Europe or North America relies on cheap manufactured goods from China, and so China's economy is intrinsically linked (integrated) into the economies of Europe or North America. THAT is the idea of what Microsoft does. They start by adding value, a soft-dependency you might say, and then make moves to becoming a hard dependency... to put into terms of a dependency graph. Then they link to dependency graphs together GitHub into VSCode, OpenAI into VSCode, One Drive into GitHub or One Drive into Hotmail...

I'll say for sure, at least Microsoft has a strategy, unlike Google where they seem to have a lot of failed projects.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pjmlp »

jhallenworld wrote: post #549
IshKebab wrote: post #67

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You mean all of Microsoft's direction? Look at how VSCode changelogs have morphed from editing features to 90% AI.

Awesome, this is creating an opportunity for a new text editor. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

There is still Emacs, Sublime Text, Brief (oldie but still around), Notepad++,...

The problem are the extensions, I bash Electron all the time, yet I use VSCode almost daily because of certain extensions.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by troyvit »

yoran wrote: post #22
reversengineer wrote: post #17

GitLab is like, really good. No need to put your codebase in the "cloud."

I feel like all new AI tools only integrate with GitHub though, like Claude Code. We're actually thinking of moving from GitLab to GitHub, just for this reason.

Is that a problem with GitLab or a problem that should make you wary of Claude Code though? It's one thing to lock yourself into one LLM provider, but when they start chaining you to other SaSS organizations aren't they just locking you down even more?
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