Most of the sources in the article are anonymous. Their descriptions of specific shootings are uncorroberated. I question the veracity of this article. It is clearly designed to elicit a pre-determined result and is conjecture and evocative narrative disguised as journalism. If these officers and soldiers are so morally outraged, let them say so on camera with their name underneath. If this is really happening and they are real soldiers who were actually there, then any concerns for their careers or safety should be secondary to revealing the truth in an open and verifiable way.
IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites
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Children are children. That's why we respond with abject horror when you see them hungry and huddled, riddled with bullets. If you have to prepend a nationality to "child" to justify it, then I regret to inform you that you are a racist. It doesn't matter whether it happens in Israeli-occupied territory or an American middle school. It's absolutely reprehensible. "stop killing children you dislike" or "stop targeting…
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#913This is yet another hoax - https://x.com/adamrfisher/status/1938959933803728997?s=46
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I agree these don't all look good but you're lumping different things under the same umbrella. And you're blaming the victim. If Hamas didn't attack Israel on Oct 7th then there wouldn't be Israeli soldiers in Gaza killing and getting killed and there wouldn't be issues with ambulances. It doesn't help that Hamas uses ambulances and that its combatants don't wear uniforms and rely on being able to pass as civilians a…
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No. You are cherry picking incidents and creating a pattern where there is none.
I do not endorse any behavior that constitutes war crimes. You- are. Hamas use of hospitals, schools and mosques, is a war crime. Hamas combatants not wearing uniform is a war crime. Hamas targets civilians as a matter of policy, it's not an exception it's the rule. Taking civilian hostages is a war crime. Firing rockets into population centers is a war crime.
Hamas is very clear about its genocidal intents and acts in line with its intentions.
They did this long before Oct 7th and never stopped:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_suicide_attacks
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg58zqgle9ro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avera_Mengistu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_...
Hamas' patrons, Iran, and their proxies, also intentionally commits war crimes and targets population centers. They don't even pretend to be trying to get at military targets. They target hospitals:
This is strategy, e.g. check this out (Iranian forces in Syria): https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjw4egp7lwno
"As we pass through Khan Shaykhun, we come across a street painted in the colours of the Iranian flag. It leads to a school building that was being used as an Iranian headquarters."
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#915Some context first so my opinion isn't misconstrued as as leftist stereotype. This is within context of the behavior described in the article. - I'm a Jew in USA, and served in the military for more than a decade. - I used to get annoyed by the Palestinian protests I'd see in the years before this, and generally sided with Israel, and the operations its military performed in counter-Shia-militia operations etc in the…
I'll provide context too - I'm a Jewish Israeli. I'd probably be considered left (or even far-left) by Israeli standards, but I'm in the "pro-Israeli" camp as conventionally understood online. This Haaretz article is very troubling. To the extent it's accurate, there's not much question that it reflects war crimes. A few thoughts: 1. The article itself says there is an ongoing investigation into some of these accusat…
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Israel's government is doing a genocide on the Palestinian people. The ICC sees it and that is why the war criminal Netanyahu has a warrant for his arrest and will be tried in the Hague, not Nuremberg, but close enough. Stop the Israeli genocide on Palestinian people.
There is no genocide charge in the ICC case. Khan's initial charges included extermination, but that was rejected by the pre-trial chamber.
Stop the genocide
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#917Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll provide context too - I'm a Jewish Israeli. I'd probably be considered left (or even far-left) by Israeli standards, but I'm in the "pro-Israeli" camp as conventionally understood online. This Haaretz article is very troubling. To the extent it's accurate, there's not much question that it reflects war crimes. A few thoughts: 1. The article itself says there is an ongoing investigation into some of these accusat…
I don't like getting involved in political threads but on this I have to. All information presented is mostly unverified testimony printed verbatim by the press from untrustworthy sources on both sides. It's difficult to tell what is fact and what is not. A lot of early reports in this war turned out to be false information and the rush to immediate news notification rather than quality journalism means that the head…
What measure of proof (evidence) do you require?
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IDF HQ is next to a mall, so Israel is doing the same as Hamas?
And where is the Pentagon? Attacking the Qirya, Israel's HQ, with some sort of accuracy is a legitimate military target. It's a pretty large target. Soldiers wear uniform. There are no civilians mixed into that camp. This is very different than lobbing rockets at Beer-Sheba, Ashdod, Ashkelon, Ramat Gan. The casualties from Iran's attacks, minus one off-duty soldier, were all civilians and the targets were nowhere nea…
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#919Most of the sources in the article are anonymous. Their descriptions of specific shootings are uncorroberated. I question the veracity of this article. It is clearly designed to elicit a pre-determined result and is conjecture and evocative narrative disguised as journalism. If these officers and soldiers are so morally outraged, let them say so on camera with their name underneath. If this is really happening and th…
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Oh man that’s awful. I support withdrawing all funding for Hamas and all other organizations who intentionally kill humanitarian aid workers. What do you think?
I'm not following your point. Anti-Israeli content is continuously promoted here along with anti-Israel commentary while flagging and down-voting of any discussion to the contrary. Israel can do no right. If it allows food into Gaza Hamas steals it. If it tries to set up a different food distribution scheme and Hamas comes up with various schemes to attack that (including shooting its own people) then that's also a w…
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