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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by chipsrafferty »

bko wrote: post #636
kristopolous wrote: post #516

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Ah yes, this is how we will be competitive - defunding universities, deporting the best and brightest, dismantling education, and cutting off trade. I mean seriously, if a malicious saboteur was running things, what would the differences be?

Harvard doesn't have higher academic standards for foreign students. So I don't think foreign students are any "better or brighter" than their American counterparts. So if you can find equally qualified American students on the margin shouldn't you do so? I think an American university that benefits greatly from American taxpayers and institutions should primarily benefit American students. If you're picking truly ex…

Notwithstanding the unfounded isolationist argument, having international students is valuable to the university and the domestic students. A diversity of life experiences, knowledge, backgrounds, etc. results in better educational outcomes. But you probably wouldn't understand that concept.

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Post by tim333 »

I was curious why they are attacking Harvard. I'm a Brit so not very up on US stuff. Googling came up with:

>The right-wing conspiracy behind Trump’s war on Harvard

>Back in 2021, far-right blogger Curtis Yarvin, who supports abolishing American democracy and replacing it with a dictatorship...

>...“the real power centers” in the US — the elite media and academic institutions exemplified by “Harvard and the New York Times” — would fight back.

>“That’s right,” Yarvin agreed. “That’s why, basically, you can’t continue to have a Harvard or a New York Times past the start of April.” https://www.vox.com/politics/409600/trump-harvard-rufo-yarvi...

Not sure if that is what's behind it?

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Post by bluGill »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #902
bluGill wrote: post #316

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People didn't have good choices. There was plenty to not like about the Democrats as well. You can argue who is worse, or even if the concerns are valid, but there are plenty of things many people don't like about how the democrats use their power. As such what was a voter to do? There are a long list of things, and most people are not willing accept that "their side" does anything someone else might not like. Doesn'…

Why is immigrantion bad, why are illegal immigrants bad? >the various "woke" issues which harms someone who isn't a minority who sees someone less competent getting business Do you have evidence this was a widespread problem? It people are woke, for example Disney decides to put more gay people in movies to promote diversity, what is the government going to do? Why would electing Republicans stop this?

don't ask me - I'm just a messanger who doesn't believe the full message. I've long supported more immigration

what disney does should be their own business. However when a competent person is not allowed to do a job because the government wants a different minoity that hurts me. at best it means that projects are more expensive because there is less competition, at worst someone incompetent is hired and we get junk.

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Post by malcolmgreaves »

firesteelrain wrote: post #806
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #759

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And all we have is DHS' word that Harvard didn't provide what was required. This is simply ridiculous and everything needs to be easier for the public to double-check so we can call bullshit in the right direction.

Your bias is showing. Harvard could be wrong too. This is all being argued in the court of public opinion now

Why would you ever believe the orange criminal and his gang members?

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Post by slg »

nashashmi wrote: post #776
slg wrote: post #547

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Evangelical Christians are a huge voting block in the US and might be even more supportive of the current Israeli regime than the average Israeli. I wouldn’t necessarily conclude that Israel is controlling the American government as directly as you’re suggesting.

Yes I considered this. for the evangelicals who support Israel, they would not necessarily try to crush the critics in anti war protests. Israel’s war on Gaza does not coincide with the evangelical mission to trigger the second coming.

>Israel’s war on Gaza does not coincide with the evangelical mission to trigger the second coming.

Maybe you don't see it because you aren't willing to think this darkly. Rebuilding the Temple is not a particularly popular idea, either domestically in Israel or internationally. The country would have to be much further radicalized for that to become realistic. Executing an ethnic cleansing of their Arab population with the tacit endorsement of the US would arguably be steps along that path to creating a world in which the Third Temple might be built.

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Post by davesque »

dudinax wrote: post #142
josefritzishere wrote: post #101

I find Trump's behavior to be incoherent. In some quarters he's virtually an anarcho-capitalist. In others, like this, he's anti-capitalist, intensely regulating a private business for no actual benefit.

Because he's not either of those things. He's a self serving tyrant. He has no philosophy of governing the state because he doesn't care about governing the state.

I wish more people would realize this. There is no plan behind what he is doing. The only thing that guides him is his psychopathic impulse to do harm.

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Post by nitwit005 »

ithkuil wrote: post #242

The us government, using the appropriate mechanism like passing laws etc, can change the policies like they see fit. However I don't understand how it's possible to single out a specific university. Are there precedents for this kind of behaviour?

You seem to be assuming they're following the law. The Trump admin hasn't exactly been winning in court.

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Post by MrFots »

chipsrafferty wrote: post #909
rayiner wrote: post #895

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The culture that prevails at Harvard isn’t Americanism. It’s elitist managerialism and liberal internationalism. It’s an ideology that children of foreign elites can easily assimilate into, because they come from cultures where better people rule over “the masses.” (Remember, aristocrats think that their status is a kind of meritocracy.) Actual Brahmins assimilate easily into Boston Brahminism. What defines Americani…

> I would rather be governed by the first 2000 people in the Boston telephone directory than by the 2000 people on the faculty of Harvard University. Changing my last name to Aaaaaaaaaaaa now.

FONZIE!

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Post by nashashmi »

chneu wrote: post #683
swat535 wrote: post #612

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> A staggering amount of American Christians support Israel because of their end times prophecy. I'm a Catholic but I can expand on this. The evangelicals believe that the Third Temple must be built for the Second Coming of Christ to happen, and are determined to politically and financially support the nation of Israel to make it happen as soon as possible. They also actively work torwards the destruction of al-Aqsa…

Yup. I seriously wish this wasn't real and when I mention it to some people they can't believe it. Not only is it real, but many people in Trump's administration have openly talked about this and how they want to make it happen. Isn't there also some shit about a cow?

Sacrifice The red heifer, blood used to cleanse the tools to build the temple.

The scofield bible preaches accelerating/ triggering the rapture

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Post by FooBarBizBazz »

kochb wrote: post #20

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

Why do students need to be inside the US in order for Harvard to issue them a degree? Surely there is an international network -- collaborators abroad who could host students, etc, etc. For example , Harvard already has an infrastructure of exchange programs. It's not ideal for the students, but I don't see why they can't continue to "be Harvard students" from anywhere.

Hopefully, though, this is an "escalate to deescalate" thing, and this whole discussion will become moot.

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