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Right, it's that simple, no morals involved nothing to see here please move along . How naive can you be?
Enlighten me, what is moral about lunch? All kids bring it to school. Of course, my kids also would like an a la carte restaurant for lunch, but we as parents think it is more efficient and cheaper if we just provide a lunch bag from home.
I decided to pay off a school’s lunch debt
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Enlighten me, what is moral about lunch? All kids bring it to school. Of course, my kids also would like an a la carte restaurant for lunch, but we as parents think it is more efficient and cheaper if we just provide a lunch bag from home.
Feeding someone who is hungry or not feeding them when they cannot provide for themselves is a moral question. You can demand that parents provide for their kids but some don't.
There are many examples of programs where people are structurally fed. None of these have positive results, and all of them are based on quasi moral arguments. Yes, we don't want people dying of hunger in refugee camps nor we want children falling behind in class because of their failing parents. But there is nothing moral about choosing the easy way out of the problem.
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Because there is only room for 1 gold medal. Only room for 1 silver medal. This is in Pool, which almost a best case scenario for women to beat men and yet, in the UK, its two former men gunning for gold and silver. https://www.newsweek.com/trans-sport-pool-women-harriet-hayn... If you truly believe transwomen are women, then its great. For anyone who doesn't share that arbitrary idea, it looks like women's sports is…
I'll go back to there is ONE out of TEN THOUSAND so why is this an issue trumping healthcare and the economy?
Sports are a big part of American culture and smugly ruining them with nonsense makes Americans mad. This is not difficult to understand.
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Because there is only room for 1 gold medal. Only room for 1 silver medal. This is in Pool, which almost a best case scenario for women to beat men and yet, in the UK, its two former men gunning for gold and silver. https://www.newsweek.com/trans-sport-pool-women-harriet-hayn... If you truly believe transwomen are women, then its great. For anyone who doesn't share that arbitrary idea, it looks like women's sports is…
Having sex the night before a competition can increase your testosterone levels, a known performance enhancing chemical. Should we ban sex for athletes? At a high school level?
Men and women are not the same. They are a distinct, binary grouping. One cannot measure up to the metrics, characteristics, etc of the other. Women have their own sports leagues because of this. Men do not have exclusive leagues, its illegal in most western countries anyway under discrimination laws. Women just cant compete at these levels though. Thats not a moral judgement but a plain reading of the facts.
As far as the incoming remark about "controlling what high school students do in private with each other", I will rather present you with a question:
Should we make it impossible for thousands of girls to get a gold medal, XOR allow 1 person, born a male and currently pretending/presenting as a woman, to dominate the competition? This is the actual, real life decision that leagues of all kinds must make, from football to chess.
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Because there is only room for 1 gold medal. Only room for 1 silver medal. This is in Pool, which almost a best case scenario for women to beat men and yet, in the UK, its two former men gunning for gold and silver. https://www.newsweek.com/trans-sport-pool-women-harriet-hayn... If you truly believe transwomen are women, then its great. For anyone who doesn't share that arbitrary idea, it looks like women's sports is…
Sports governing bodies in the UK are rapidly rewriting their policies to stop these men from competing in women's sports, after a recent Supreme Court judgement ruled this amounts to unlawful sex discrimination against women. So hopefully this ongoing insult to all the women who've worked so hard to compete in their sport of choice will soon be over. That said, the ideal outcome would be apologies to every female at…
These governing bodies need to Do Better. They need to work on themselves.
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I've not been in a place with a functional transit system where fares were high enough to prevent disruptive people from boarding. I've seen rich people get onto Acela trains obnoxiously drunk. I have, on the other hand, seen transit operators (bus drivers, mainly) kick people who had paid fares off for being disruptive. The definition of "being disruptive on the subway" does not seem to be the barrier you think it i…
> I've seen rich people get onto Acela trains obnoxiously drunk. Were they disruptive?
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> I think its budget is not balanced and its funding has strings attached that undermines the sovereignty of independent institutions. 1. The budget of most Red states is not balanced. 2. States aren't sovereign institutions. 3. Funding being provided without strings attached is practically nonexistent. Money is allocated for a purpose. Allocating money with no string attached is simply not a thing that state or loca…
I never mentioned any party or conservatives or democrats. I don't think this is the gotcha you think it is. I never mentioned any party or conservatives or democrats. I don't think this is the gotcha you think it is. You are bringing up other positions to discredit a position you assumed I have, because you saw something that overlapped with something partisans say, when the only position I have is that the federal…
If you spout all the verbatim opinions of a neoconservative, you're probably a neoconservative. I don't care if you identify as a libertarian or an attack helicopter. You're in this thread opposing the only proposed solution to feeding children, so it's pretty clear what you are.
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Stuff like this seems like such a dividing line to me. Like, in theory when people believe things that are morally wrong, I want to reach out to them with compassion and respect and try to gently persuade them to my side because we're all, in theory, on the same side. But if you don't want kids to be fed, I really am not sure we're actually on the same side any more and I really am not sure what to do with that.
You can want kids to be fed and fully believe that the government giving out free meal to all kids will eventually lead to kids not being feed. I can think of lots of arguments Budgets might be cut directly, so can not feed some percent, budgets might be cut indirectly (less tax revenue). Giving out free food might make people feel entitled and less likely to learn to be self sufficient. The "give a man a fish he eat…
Stop talking as if there's no human actor involved in this. If budgets are cut (less tax revenue) it's because the same people who oppose feeding kids oppose taxing rich people. This is just people saying, "We can't feed kids, because we might decide to not tax rich people instead." I'm not confused about this possibility or missing this possibility: I'm saying "don't be an asshole, collect enough taxes to feed the kids".
> Giving out free food might make people feel entitled and less likely to learn to be self sufficient.
Stop talking about "people" as if you've forgotten these are children. Kids should feel entitled to eat, because children are entitled to receive food. Obviously we should be preparing them to learn to feed themselves as adults--nobody is confused about that--but it's going to be a whole lot harder for a child to learn if they're unsure about their next meal. And again, it's the same people who oppose school lunches who oppose education programs.
Giving a child a fish and teaching the child to fish are not mutually exclusive. And US conservatives oppose both.
> Back to budgets, it might remove money from other school needs. I guess the thinking would be, schools should teach, food is not their responsibility. If it comes their responsibility then they'll do less teaching which is back to not helping make their students able to ultimately fend for themselves but instead makes them dependent.
Again, stop pretending there's no actors doing this. It's conservatives who are creating these artificially constrained budgets. It's conservatives who are not allocating enough money to both feed and educate children.
I'm simply not interested in any argument which involves pretending there isn't enough money to feed children. There is enough money, you simply don't think feeding children is important enough to collect taxes to do it.
I'm simply not interested in arguments about who should be feeding children. I want the federal government to fund schools to feed children because that's the only viable path to all the children in my country being fed on the table at the moment. You haven't presented any alternatives that work, and you won't, because you are more interested in avoiding taxes than you are in feeding children.