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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by dataflow »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #892
dataflow wrote: post #839

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> it's a pretty important detail It doesn't seem like it matters here. Per 18 USC §1071: Whoever harbors or conceals any person for whose arrest a warrant or process has been issued under the provisions of any law of the United States, so as to prevent his discovery and arrest, after notice or knowledge of the fact that a warrant or process has been issued for the apprehension of such person, shall be fined under thi…

Not sure that applies to arbitrary documents that the bearer claims is a warrant, rather than a judge-signed warrant. Either way, it wasn't illegal to send them to where they needed to go, and it wasn't illegal to let this dude use another door, so the illegality seems to depend on whether the executive can concoct their own warrants without any oversight and gain arbitrary access for arbitrary reasons. > The judge s…

It doesn't say it had to be a judicial warrant, it says warrant or process. And "I don't even know if you're actually law enforcement" is not an excuse for ignoring law enforcement; what you do is ask for credentials and verify them. Anyway, I'm not a lawyer, but this seems pretty cut and dried to me. We'll see how it plays out in court.

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Post by cosmicgadget »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #116
bonif wrote: post #92

It’s heartbreaking to see the United States, once a symbol of strength and freedom, reduced to a complete joke.

Well, you see, some dogs and cats were being eaten, and the other lady cackled too much, so it was inevitable, really.

And don't forget the price of eggs which somehow is unrelated to the fiscal and monetary policies started in 2020.

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Post by cosmicgadget »

ericras wrote: post #217
bloopernova wrote: post #187

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No one is above the law.

Strictly true but practically false. SCOTUS decided in Trump v. United States that core Article II actions by the president are completely above the law. Official actions are presumed to be immune from criminal liability. Non-official acts are not immune but get a free trip up to SCOTUS for adjudication before any trial can start. The one exception is if Congress impeaches.

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Post by anonfordays »

hypeatei wrote: post #491
kstrauser wrote: post #406

Part of the reason why I support "sanctuary cities" is that it's better for everyone if undocumented immigrants feel safe talking to the police. Imagine someone broke into my car and there was a witness who saw the whole thing. I want them to be OK telling the cops what happened. I want them to be OK reporting crimes in their neighborhood. I want them to be OK testifying about it in court. I want them to be OK callin…

This line of thinking only works if you consider illegal immigrants as people of which a certain side does not and is actively arguing that the bill of rights only applies to citizens. Basically, if you view illegal immigrants as the end of the world, then any deferral of their deportation is equally as bad. There is no room for discussion on this topic, being "illegal" is a cardinal sin and must be punished at all c…

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Post by pyuser583 »

lolinder wrote: post #792
hayst4ck wrote: post #781

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This is the constitutional crisis. You are taking ICE's/the administration's perspective and assuming it is cogent which leads you to conclusion that doesn't support justice and instead supports the end of constitutional rule in the US. The administration is in open violation of supreme court rulings and the law. They have repeatedly shown contempt for the constitution. They have repeatedly assumed their own supremac…

> You are taking ICE's/the administration's perspective and assuming it is cogent which leads you to conclusion that doesn't support justice and instead supports the end of constitutional rule in the US. No I'm not. I'm taking the facts as they're presented by the AP (which is famously not sympathetic to this administration) and saying that nothing in the facts that I'm seeing here in this specific case serves as evi…

Is the AP just reciting facts from the FBI. Anytime the “fact” ends with “said John Doe,” the “fact” is merely a claim by John Doe.

Verification of claims is extremely rare. Especially for breaking news like this.

I haven’t gone down this rabbit hole. But reporters mostly just recite interviews.

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Post by jaco6 »

nis0s wrote: post #263

America is quickly devolving into a lawless, third-world country. Based on the news reported thus far, it seems the judge was arrested because some egos got hurt. Usually when third world country leadership starts acting capricious, there is either a coup or a civil war, neither of which makes sense for a developed, first-world democracy. The Republicans are right that the lawlessness around the border needs to be co…

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Post by pyuser583 »

Gabriel54 wrote: post #617
Animats wrote: post #602

A key point here, which the judge brought up with the ICE agents, is that they only had an "administrative warrant".[1] An “ICE warrant” is not a real warrant. It is not reviewed by a judge or any neutral party to determine if it is based on probable cause. "An immigration officer from ICE or CBP may not enter any nonpublic areas—or areas that are not freely accessible to the public and hence carry a higher expectati…

There is no suggestion that the agents conducted a search or entered a non-public area. And this has nothing to do with the claim that the judge actively obstructed their efforts.

My understanding is that you have an obligation to act lawfully, even if another person is not acting lawfully.

This why civil rights advocates say “don’t talk to the police.”

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Post by maximinus_thrax »

ConspiracyFact wrote: post #727

I just read the complaint. What’s the problem? Was the administrative warrant invalid? According to the complaint, the agents didn’t enter the courtroom, but rather waited in the hall, where they were approached by the judge. If the judge directed the defendant to a back door never used by defendants not in custody, that’s clearly obstruction.

I'm fairly certain that a sitting judge who's a former president of the bar association knows the law better than you or me or Crack Patel and is more aware of the legal ramifications than random armchair lawyers.

From my personal armchair, this will go nowhere, the accusation has no basis. Something similar happened before and the charges were dropped. This was just an attempt to intimidate the judiciary. I hope the SCOTUS is happy with the monster they created.

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Post by rufus_foreman »

Animats wrote: post #602

A key point here, which the judge brought up with the ICE agents, is that they only had an "administrative warrant".[1] An “ICE warrant” is not a real warrant. It is not reviewed by a judge or any neutral party to determine if it is based on probable cause. "An immigration officer from ICE or CBP may not enter any nonpublic areas—or areas that are not freely accessible to the public and hence carry a higher expectati…

>> An “ICE warrant” is not a real warrant

False.

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Post by nonethewiser »

FireBeyond wrote: post #888
nonethewiser wrote: post #445

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I dont understand what you mean by your comment. He was arrested for being in the country illegally. The way this is supposed to work is: 1) you get a warrant, 2) then you make the arrest, and 3) the person gets due process in court. We finished 2 and we definitely need 3. If we dont we have a problem. But what they did so far was correct. He also was in court for battery. It seems like you're implying that since bat…

Like I said, as someone who has been charged for something I factually did not do, you’re just parroting the Trump line, “these are bad people, criminals”. He may well have committed battery. But again, not convicted. But hey, go ahead and assume criminality. Why even bother with court?

>you’re just parroting the Trump line, “these are bad people, criminals”.

They got a warrant based on evidence that he entered illegally then arrested him. That's following the process.

We can argue if showing up in court for battery charges is a good look. But it has nothing to do with whether or not ICE could arrest him.

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