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Re: 4chan Sharty Hack And Janitor Email Leak

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Post by poincaredisk »

bouncycastle wrote: post #735
xattt wrote: post #550

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> could give the attacker shell access. How do these exploits work? Does it open an SSH port somewhere or does it show up as a browser-based terminal?

most likely "shell access" was confused with execution of "shellcode" which is a type of code, typically bytecode, that gets injected by the hacker and the server gets tricked into executing it. Once it's executed, it can do anything, leave new files, open ports, disable firewalls, change the admin password, etc

It was not - attacker ran an exploit that have him a remote shell access. No shellcode was involved (that's for binary exploits which is not what happened here)

Re: 4chan Sharty Hack And Janitor Email Leak

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Post by ogurechny »

dmonitor wrote: post #890
ogurechny wrote: post #837

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Mods of any decently sized forum can point to very special users participating in intense sockpuppetry, flamewars, getting back after being banned 20 times, and so on. It's not specific to 4chan.

The nature of 4chan makes it more difficult to distinguish from just normal posting. There's not any kind of paper trail to look at and potentially ID the posters. It's also somewhat expected on the site from a cultural standpoint? Having a recognizable posting pattern gives flavor to a system that is otherwise composed of completely interchangeable posters. Like /v/ has one guy that constantly makes threads that are…

No, those people (or sometimes groups of people) go to great lengths to camouflage themselves, especially after repeated bans. This is not the case of “all accounts registered to the same e-mail” or “10 different posts from the same IP address” (though those are not uncommon, too, and might be allowed if community rules aren't broken). 4chan is hardly an outlier.

Moreover, you can make hundreds of anonymous posts on your own, but if no one reacts (and considers the thing/idea/joke uninteresting), they will still remain the only replies in your precious shilling threads.

Re: 4chan Sharty Hack And Janitor Email Leak

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Post by ogurechny »

krapp wrote: post #907
ogurechny wrote: post #834

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“Illegal” where? There's a lot of different illegal stuff in a lot of different countries. The elephant in the room is that USA appointed itself as a policeman for the whole network. Demands of its state and business entities are somehow tied to the fact that there is no true free speech on the open internet.

Illegal wherever, it doesn't matter. Very few admins are going to be willing to take a bullet for you even if they enjoy your spicy memes.

Well, but who shoots that bullet? It doesn't appear out of thin air. We shouldn't consider that it all happened “by itself”, it has formed quite recently, and the memory is fresh. In addition to that, we can see that quite specific topics attract attention of that internet cop, and he's pretty ignorant about the rest. It seems that the choice is somehow guided by the spectacle presented to public inside the US, and changes with political fashions.

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Post by ogurechny »

fwip wrote: post #903
ogurechny wrote: post #798

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There is no “they”. Like many others coming from social web, you expect to find some kind of community which fashions everyone shares, an apparel you can put on. The idea is complete opposite: you don't need to follow any fashion, or imagine yourself “part of the team” any more than you want to. Even though it's not written in any rules, you don't have to use slang or tone if you find them dumb, overused (globally or…

You're saying that the demographics of 4chan is roughly similar to most any site on the internet?

Well, everyone who wanted to join was able to do it. Constant media attention informed everyone and the dog about it.

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

lurk2 wrote: post #857
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #838

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>There are a lot of people who have nothing to contribute to a conversation, While true, the few people who do have something to contribute to a conversation simply can't do so on a highly-sanitized, heavily-moderated forum. The things they'd say would be too upsetting to a status quo, and the status quo will win. There is a real difference between something truly insightful and flat earth theory, but outsourcing tha…

> but outsourcing that decision to a reddit mouth-breather whose only qualification for moderating is that he showed up to r/whatever back in 2013 before anyone else is not the way to detect those differences. Spez once compared these people to a landed gentry; they are not unlike domain squatters. Notably, 4chan is basically identical in this regard. I’ve been banned from /lit/, /trv/, and /his/ for posts that the j…

You described stackoverflow. People aren't banned elsewhere because they have nothing to say, not because moderators are better.

Those same mods ban for certain posts about Discord. Coincidence?

Re: 4chan Sharty Hack And Janitor Email Leak

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

ryandrake wrote: post #556
loves_mangoes wrote: post #417

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That checks out. Years ago I noticed a vulnerability through the photography board. You'd upload your pictures, and 4chan would display all the EXIF info next to the post. 4chan's PHP code would offload that task to a well-know, but old and not very actively maintained EXIF library. Of course the thing with EXIF is that each camera vendor has their own proprietary extensions that need to be supported to make users ha…

> Just with a bunch of extra features hastily grafted and grown organically, but never dealing with the insane amount of technical debt. This describes probably 95%+ of the entire software world, from enterprise, to SaaS to IoT to mobile to desktop to embedded... Everything seems to be hastily thrown together features that barely work and piles of debt that will never get fixed. It's a wonder anything actually even w…

Why do I feel so specifically targeted by this.

Though maybe I am of the philosophy of prototyping as I like to code for problems that I am facing right now in real life and wish like damn... wish someone could build something cool & though I use AI quite hard. Its actually because I am currently in school and I just don't have the time to code but I face some issues which I genuinely feel need to be solved right now. (Maybe even as just a proof of concept) so that I can later write good readable code later on when I go into university.

Re: 4chan Sharty Hack And Janitor Email Leak

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

lurk2 wrote: post #857
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #838

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There are a lot of people who have nothing to contribute to a conversation, While true, the few people who do have something to contribute to a conversation simply can't do so on a highly-sanitized, heavily-moderated forum. The things they'd say would be too upsetting to a status quo, and the status quo will win. There is a real difference between something truly insightful and flat earth theory, but outsourcing tha…

> but outsourcing that decision to a reddit mouth-breather whose only qualification for moderating is that he showed up to r/whatever back in 2013 before anyone else is not the way to detect those differences. Spez once compared these people to a landed gentry; they are not unlike domain squatters. Notably, 4chan is basically identical in this regard. I’ve been banned from /lit/, /trv/, and /his/ for posts that the j…

>Hacker News is superior by almost every metric.

In the most narrow of topics, it's semi-superior... and because of bizarre circumstances that aren't easily replicated. We can't do politics here (though that erodes every day, looks like), which keeps the worst shit-shows out of here, but anywhere else that wouldn't ever happen. dang is some sort of minor saint, had this been reddit that would have morphed into "we can't do politics except those I like".

Even in that one topic (tech, software, engineering) we still have these bizarre status quo opinions that you dare not buck.

>Reddit was also way better than 4chan for serious discussion in the years before Trump was elected.

Sure, for a brief period as the reddit population was ramping up, but before ever slack-jawed imbecile showed up thinking it was the new Facebook, it was pretty good. But that was earlier than 2016. Might have to go back to 2012ish. Pre-2010 even.

>The model works as long as the managers are not incompetent.

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>Federated networks might be the solution here.

Doubtful. Then instead of bans, it's just a bunch of weirdo tiny forums that have all de-federated from each other. Have you checked out Lemmy? The first and biggest instance was a bunch of Stalin-esque commies who camped out on it with the intent of dominating the entire system. See, with reddit, no one quite understood that it might become big, and so no one was eyeing it with the intent od a landgrab. But once it failed, everyone was on the lookout for the next-big-thing, and if there was even a chance of it they set up shop. No technical solution can exist to fix that sort of a problem.

Re: 4chan Sharty Hack And Janitor Email Leak

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Post by eakspeasy »

ryandrake wrote: post #872
danielktdoranie wrote: post #820

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If it wasn't a nazi salute, why don't you go into work tomorrow and do it (exactly as Musk did it) in front of your manager, and then let us know what happens.

I’m no fan of Musk, but this is silly. If I thought Musk was being falsely painted as a Nazi due to a gesture made innocuously, doing it myself so other people could falsely call me a Nazi would hardly convince me that Elon was actually a Nazi.

Like, I know an erudite person (“Bill”) who uses the word “niggard” as defined (miser), without any ill intentions whatsoever. Maybe there are edgelords who intentionally use it because of its similarity to you-know-what, but not this guy. If someone did try to convince me that Bill says it to be an edgelord, and told me to try using it myself and see how people react, I would no doubt get falsely accused of using it in a bad way myself. That wouldn’t convince me that Bill has bad intentions, it would only reaffirm my existing belief that people can misinterpret innocuous things.

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Post by starfezzy »

PixelForg wrote: post #864
starfezzy wrote: post #850

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3/10 troll That's antithetical to many of the foundational rules of the internet, which are core to 4chan culture. The whole point is that they don't let the fluctuating, weak-willed whims of normie sensibilities determine what's allowed.

And thats exactly what I don't like, there's no good reason why the internet has to be like this. It's simple, just be the same online like how you'd be irl. Tired of all these people that would talk shit online but become weak irl. Then again this is just my opinion, I don't like 4chan because of the mentioned reasons so I don't visit it. Nothing trollworthy about that.

Oh I was just saying it came off as an uncle er troll because it's like a weak bait with a comical conclusion.

It's like saying "4chan would be great if they were more like reddit". But the entire point is to not be like reddit. HN is largely equivalent to reddit for this point—progressives who cant fathom the existence of intelligent people who reject frail sensibilities; who conclude out of such closed mindedness that anyone who rejects those sensibilities must be broken.

I think there's room for improvement in both places. I wouldn't go as far as to say that the value in the internet is that you can be exactly the way your are IRL. As someone who rejects a lot of ultra progressive stuff (most of what's astroturfed as "normal" by giga-progressives corporations that have taken over the internet and banned dissent for 15 years), I appreciate that I can at least feel a false sense of security sharing mentally sound ideas that have been recognized for thousands of years without having my life ruined.

Re: 4chan Sharty Hack And Janitor Email Leak

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Post by jabroni_salad »

bboygravity wrote: post #427
amadeuspagel wrote: post #241

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"Not your personal army" goes father then not doxxing. It's a rejection of any attempt to imagine a community of strangers, united by hatred of a scapegoat.

So "not your personal army" == don't be a journalist?

A thing about the site is that comments not threaded or ranked. When the site started getting a reputation you had a lot of tourist beggars coming in fishing for free labor. NYPA is about getting those people to stop cluttering the place with garbage.
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