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Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by guappa »

cellularmitosis wrote: post #781
henry_viii wrote: post #721

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On Notes: 1. If you copy some text 2. Select other text 3. Paste the text you copied to replace the selected text Notes will crash. This has been known for years. Also if you turn off all suggestions in Spotlight on iOS and just use it as an app launcher, it will still take seconds for Spotlight to show you the results. For something that's supposed to be an indexed look up.

I keep annual journals in Notes and I’ve noticed (on iOS) that the keyboard becomes increasingly laggy as the year drags on / as the note length increases. I can only assume they are synchronously flushing the file to disk on the main thread during the keyboard callback handler. I don’t mean to be rude, but that’s how an iOS intern would implement it.

> I don’t mean to be rude, but that’s how an iOS intern would implement it.

A bad one maybe

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Post by packetlost »

DanielHB wrote: post #844
packetlost wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Woah now, saying something positive about systemd will bring a bunch of crusty greybeards out of the woodwork who want their Linux to be as close to BSD4.4 as possible. Jokes aside, I'm in agreement. Audio was still slightly buggy for me using a Elgato XLR USB interface, but it consistently worked with annoying workarounds. Linux is in a very good place for even normal consumers these days, I'm hoping Valve ends up m…

I don't get the systemd hate, as a user I find it quite nice. Centralized place all services live and I can see all the stuff I use and need. Good CLI for inspecting services and getting logs. But like, I don't manage linux servers and stuff so I am sure it sucks in certain very specific ways for people who need to deal with it day in and out. I remember my young days of using Slackware with init.d. That was hell.

I've managed Linux systems of all sizes and don't really get it either. Systemd is largely a good thing, though there are occasionally bugs that make if frustrating to deal with.

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Post by jiehong »

swat535 wrote: post #212

It's not just Apple guys, it's everywhere. Software quality has seriously declined across the board, from Spotify to Slack to core operating systems like Windows and macOS. I think a major factor is corporate culture, which largely ignores software quality. Another issue is that many engineers lack a solid understanding of CS fundamentals like performance, security, and reliability (perhaps this is why many are not a…

Yep, like the new Sonos app a few months ago.

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Post by 827a »

tbeseda wrote: post #27

Anecdotally, Apple Music has deteriorated exponentially for me. iTunes was such a stable, usable piece of software, but I can't get reliable use out of Apple Music for the life of me. It _feels_ like a shoddy Electron app. But that's not fair to the actual Electron (or similar) apps that actually work. For all its many design and product flaws, Spotify actually works.

I had to cancel Apple Music because, bewilderingly, sometimes I'd click a song to play and it just, wouldn't, play. Like, the most basic, simple thing I'd expect a music app to be able to handle. No error. Just nothing. This would happen two or three times a week. It feels utterly insane to say in 2025 that I chose my preferred music subscription service because I prefer a service where I give them money then they give me the ability to play music, but Apple physically cannot even manage that.

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Post by jiehong »

Zufriedenheit wrote: post #624

In Apples position I would set up a little task force that goes through everything single bug mentioned in this thread and fixes it.

I’m inclined to believe that their reporting software might be buggy and does not reports bugs accurately to the right team.

With all the bugs, idk how little this task force would have to be, though.

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by guappa »

mizzao wrote: post #890
mherrmann wrote: post #825

> Premium Hardware, Struggling Software This sums it up well. The hardware is great, the software isn't. I recently programmed the same app for iOS and Android. iOS took twice as long, simply because Apple's APIs suck. Case in point: The background task APIs (plural, yes, unfortunately) are so bad that Apple felt compelled to publish a video "Background execution demystified" [1]. If a dev creates an API and then has…

It's too bad that Linux doesn't come with Apple Silicon. And while 20s me would have loved configuring things, once I had a family and a lot less time, I just want it to work.

You can get a thinkpad and it will in fact just work :D

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by guappa »

chachacharge wrote: post #275
roody15 wrote: post #268

When you upgrade MacOS 15.3.0 apple automatically enables Apple intelligence and then turns on Apple intelligence reporting (15 min intervals) by default. You are not prompted or asked to enable. After disabling Apple Intelligence when you do the next mini update to 15.3.1 Apple intelligence is enabled. Again no prompt and your previous choice to disable is ignored. This IMO is a bad sign for Apple software quality.…

I thought only MS was doing that. I have over 25 admin on/off switches for copilot in the M365 ecosystem that were forced ON in the last year. On the power platform- The authorized consent to move data between regions for ai was AUTOMATICALLY set to YES also and it was sending prod data around to read it and give advice. I guess they sneak it in with some EULA update.. When I open tickets I always get sent to the wro…

That seems completely illegal.

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Post by SkiFire13 »

I recently had to setup a Mac and the App store didn't let me add an account, it always asked for my billing details and then complained that the fields where empty when they weren't. As a workaround I had to perform the billing setup on an Android (!) phone using the Apple Music app...

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by caycep »

schmidtleonard wrote: post #176
BobAliceInATree wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the most recent episode of ATP podcast, an anonymous person wrote in to say that when they worked at Apple until ~2013, there was effectively no QA team on macOS. Granted that was over a decade ago, and "no QA team" doesn't mean no testing, but given the numerous bugs in macOS today, and that they almost never get fixed, I'm not surprised. (FWIW, I do not experience this bug you mentioned)

If you look at the macOS feature history, it's pretty clear that the bulk of the team got shifted to iPhone in 2007 and never really recovered. The widely acknowledged Snow Leopard high water mark happened shortly after. To be fair, Apple can still pull off the occasional amazing feat of vertical integration -- HDR, APFS, keeping audio latency under control despite the relentless assault of apathy from all directions…

you think this is a Bertrand Serlet vs Craig Federighi style issue?

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by nunez »

1123581321 wrote: post #568
nunez wrote: post #560

Shortcuts. Have you tried using Shortcuts on ANY Apple device? It's a fucking mess. It is impossible to write Shortcuts with code. Consequently, this means that you're stuck with the no-code workflow builder. Unfortunately, the no-code builder is a hog! Moving actions around within the panel will cause Shortcuts to lock up. Sometimes, Shortcuts will just refuse to reorder actions when you move them. Exiting and re-op…

If you want to type your shortcuts, there’s a tool that turns code into plist imports. https://scpl.dev/

Unfortunately, the tool you linked doesn't support Shortcuts after iOS 14 and the tool _they_ linked seems alpha quality. But I'm very interested in how these develop!
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