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Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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> I think you are applying the ostrich method which is understandable Asking for evidence is not being an ostrich.

The ostrich method is avoiding existing evidencea available online and searchable for full stack llm programming

Making a simple app isn't evidence that it will replace people, any more than a 90%-good self-driving car is evidence that we'll get a 100%-good self-driving car.

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> no one is stating "we've replaced X% of our workforce with AI" Even if that's been happening, I don't think it would be politically savvy to admit it. In today's social climate claiming to replace humans with AI would attract the wrong kind of attention from politicians (during an election year) and from the public in general. This would be even more unwise to admit for a company like Google who's an "AI producer".…

> and from the public in general Don't think the public will be that concerned about people in Google's salary bracket losing their jobs.

People in Google salary brackets get jobs at Google-1 salary brackets, pushing junior people at Google-1 to Google-2, all the way down to IT departments at non-tech firms. This impacts everybody who's in the industry or capable of switching.

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Software engineers and grocery store workers are in different income brackets, but in the same class (labor/prolaterian). It is managers, executives, and investors that are in the capitalist class. Class is determined by your relationship to production.

Software engineer salaries and stock compensation can be enough to shift alignment somewhat, especially after many years of capital accumulation.

if you make the majority of your earnings from passive income or you do not need to work to live you are more part of the leisure class

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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I work for Google, and I just got done with my work day. I was just writing I guess what you'd call "AI generated code." But the code completion engine is basically just good at finishing the lines I'm writing. If I'm writing "function getAc..." it's smart enough to complete to "function getActionHandler()", and maybe suggest the correct arguments and a decent jsdoc comment. So basically, it's a helpful productivity…

That's what I thought. In recent weeks, most of the code I’ve written has been AI-generated. But it was mostly JSDoc comments, type checking (I'm writing JavaScript), abstracting code if I see that I'm repeating myself a little too often, etc.

All things that I would consider tedious housekeeping, but nothing that needs serious reasoning.

It's basically a glorified LSP.

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It’s a disservice to the public to assume they aren’t capable of understanding why AI job losses might be concerning even if they aren’t directly impacted. Most people aren’t so committed to class warfare that they will root for the apocalypse as long as it stomps a rich guy first.

You mean poor person. As long as it stomps a poor person. The rich don’t have a habit of getting stomped. They direct other poor people to stomp their contemporaries. The poor don’t have a chance.

I don't think a lot of people realize how few people are "rich" in the sense of not being impacted by the labor market, or how virtually all of them are retirees. CFOs aren't looking forward to a massive shift in the labor market for accountants any more than CPAs. Warren Buffet has a "job," he writes those letters for BH and oversees the firm's investments at a high level... and most of the people who live off of investments have children in the workforce. Even most people whose children live off of their investments have kids in the (nonprofit) workforce.

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I work for Google, and I just got done with my work day. I was just writing I guess what you'd call "AI generated code." But the code completion engine is basically just good at finishing the lines I'm writing. If I'm writing "function getAc..." it's smart enough to complete to "function getActionHandler()", and maybe suggest the correct arguments and a decent jsdoc comment. So basically, it's a helpful productivity…

That's what I thought. In recent weeks, most of the code I’ve written has been AI-generated. But it was mostly JSDoc comments, type checking (I'm writing JavaScript), abstracting code if I see that I'm repeating myself a little too often, etc. All things that I would consider tedious housekeeping, but nothing that needs serious reasoning. It's basically a glorified LSP.

I know you're not saying anything revolutionary but this is the best succinct yet fair description of these tools that I've seen. They're not worthless but they're not job destroying.

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Self-interested hyperbole aside, I think that’s a laughably low number for what is now effectively an ‘AI Company’. I’m sure >95% of Google employees use Google (well, at least until recent years).

If this stuff really works as well as these companies claim it does, wouldn’t their entire workforce excitedly be using these tools already?

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Do people find these AI auto complete things helpful? I was trying the XCode one and it kept suggesting API calls that don't exist. I spent more time fixing its errors than I would have spent typing the correct API call.

Visual Studio "intellisense" has always been pretty good for me. Seemed to make good guesses about my intentions without doing anything wild. It seemed to use ad hoc rules and patterns, but it worked and then got out of the way. Then it got worse a couple of years ago when they tried some early-stage AI approach. I turned it off. I expect that next time I update VS it'll have got substantially worse and it will have…

Agreed, the old Visual Basic, Visual C++, Borland Delphi, Visual C# experiences were how I dove into the deep end of several languages back in the late 90's/early 2000's. Things were VERY discoverable at that point. Obviously a deeper understanding of a language is necessary for doing real work, but noodling around just trying to get a feel for what can be done, is a great way to get started.
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