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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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SaintSeiya wrote: post #910

I'm one of them, the Cuban dictatorship has gotten worse over years and more brutal, the cuban government is the enemy of its own people and asphyxiates any piece of freedom we have there. Is not the U.S or any other country but pure malice of the government that do not want to give up the power and sacrifices a whole country if necessary to remain there. The amount of ignorance (bought the dictatorship propaganda) a…

And BTW is not the 10% only, is around the 20%, close to 2 million cuban's has left in this last 2 years. Everyone is escaping that sinking ship. The government is fully militarized and even complaining about your kid's food can land you in jail for 10 years.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by throwaway4220 »

gottorf wrote: post #807
stouset wrote: post #594

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. Then I have great news for them! Immigrants to the U.S. are responsible for fewer crimes per capita than native-born Americans.

To my knowledge, there is no version of this claim that distinguishes between illegal and legal immigrants. (I'd be happy to be proven wrong.) In fact, it would be silly to claim that illegal immigrants as a group commit fewer crimes per capita than natives, since 100% of them have already violated laws by being on US soil to begin with. Legal immigrants, on the other hand, are absolutely less likely to engage in cri…

Whoa there - by your logic illegal immigrants should also keep their head down so they don’t get deported.

Also, how are legal immigrants “selected for positive traits”?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by derektank »

Yawrehto wrote: post #889
cardanome wrote: post #848

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> It doesn't explain why Cuba needs to import 70-80% of their food despite being a fertile tropical paradise. There have been famine and starvation before the communists took power. I don't think Cuba has ever been fully food self-sufficient. Not many countries are. Not to mention agriculture needs access to fertilizers which the sanctions make harder to get. The more important part from your source: > The largest is…

>If we compare Cuba to her peers in Latin America, especially Haiti... Haiti has a complicating factor. After winning independence from France, France told Haiti to pay 'debt' back to France. In the end, it had to pay 112 million Francs, which is an amazing sum for a newly independent country, and I think that it's unique in history, a government demanding that exorbitant of a payment from a newly independent country…

It wasn't the independence debt. Haiti was a poor country in the 40s and 50s but not exceptionally poor compared to other peer countries. What set Haiti up to be the basket case it is today was the decades of corruption and malgovernment that occurred under the dictatorial rule of the Duvalier family.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by rpmisms »

rangestransform wrote: post #629
timschmidt wrote: post #506

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> Have you seen what the cartel does in Mexico? The ones the DEA has partnered with[0], arms[1], and enables through backward drug policy[2]? 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinaloa_Cartel#Alleged_collusi... 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal 2: https://insightcrime.org/news/analysis/how-100-years-failed-...

Well prescreening immigrants lets us avoid dealing with the consequences of our actions, so why not

If I can avoid dealing with the ruinous consequences of governments that existed before I was born, I absolutely will.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by throwaway4220 »

gottorf wrote: post #821
GolfPopper wrote: post #246

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"The mythical tie between immigration and crime"[1] 1. https://siepr.stanford.edu/news/mythical-tie-between-immigra...

As far as I understand it, this study is of limited use in discussing today's illegal immigration wave because of two reasons: one, it does not distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants; and two, it does not distinguish between the incentives driving immigrants before the establishment of the welfare state and those thereafter. It stands to obvious reason that an invited houseguest is better-behaved than one t…

Again, laying low is what illegal immigrants do. What “free cake” do illegal immigrants get? Shelter and food?

Just look at Georgia’s law a few years ago where they enforced strict paperwork with the threat of arresting the employer - probably the worst productive year for agriculture because they didn’t have cheap labor to rely on.

Enforce deportation to the greatest extent possible but be prepared to pay for it.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by Gud »

kzrdude wrote: post #676
Gud wrote: post #673

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What time was that? There aren't even ten nations in the EU with nuclear weapons.

Just like Cuba didn't really itself point missiles towards the US (it was the soviets), the Warsaw pact nations inside current EU were used as Soviet proxies too.

Ok, I still don't get it then. The Warsaw pact nations were not planning on using their nukes on other European nations with nuclear weapons, to avoid getting nuked themselves. This is documented in the (formerly) secret war plans that were released by the Czech republic.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by sillywalk »

Aunche wrote: post #827
mfru wrote: post #760

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> After spending a couple weeks in Cuba it’s not hard to see why. Which is the consequence of being sanctioned into oblivion for decades by the global hegemon, much to the dislike of the entire rest of the world.

The US has been the the only major country sanctioning Cuba for a decade and a half, but the economy has only gotten worse. Sanctions may explain why they has lagged behind in tech. It doesn't explain why Cuba needs to import 70-80% of their food despite being a fertile tropical paradise. https://www.wfpusa.org/countries/cuba/#:~:text=Cuba%20import... .

> The US has been the the only major country sanctioning Cuba for a decade and a half

It's had an embargo against Cuba since 1962.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by toomuchtodo »

SaintSeiya wrote: post #911
SaintSeiya wrote: post #910

I'm one of them, the Cuban dictatorship has gotten worse over years and more brutal, the cuban government is the enemy of its own people and asphyxiates any piece of freedom we have there. Is not the U.S or any other country but pure malice of the government that do not want to give up the power and sacrifices a whole country if necessary to remain there. The amount of ignorance (bought the dictatorship propaganda) a…

And BTW is not the 10% only, is around the 20%, close to 2 million cuban's has left in this last 2 years. Everyone is escaping that sinking ship. The government is fully militarized and even complaining about your kid's food can land you in jail for 10 years.

Do you have any advice for those with resources and desire to help Cubans leave?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by hollandheese »

ossobuco wrote: post #786
zdragnar wrote: post #40

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I think that's really underselling the political persecution that many have suffered in Cuba. It's far and away from just wanting reparations for land grabs. We have sanctions on Cuba for the same reason we have sanctions on Russia and Venezuela now- we don't want to fund what their government is doing, and allying with them gives us little to nothing in return. That said, it's pretty obvious that economic sanctions…

> we don't want to fund what their government is doing What is their government doing that is so terrible? Anyway let's suppose Cuba is a brutal dictatorship, even though it really isn't by any metric. Why are there no sanctions on Saudi Arabia? Why no sanctions on Taiwan during the white terror? Why no sanctions on Chile when they threw alive protesters from flying helicopters? I could go on for a while.

>What is their government doing that is so terrible?

Surviving while Communist.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by ein0p »

InTheArena wrote: post #138
ein0p wrote: post #129

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I think he’d much rather have a permanent and painful boil on America’s ass, like what the US has in Taiwan. Mexico isn’t cooperating, so maybe Cuba will. There’s precedent for that kind of thing, as well as for US military getting its ass handed to it while trying to “subjugate” Cuba.

Thankfully even CcP authoritarians have more sense than this. China is and will continue to foment unrest in South America to play the same role, but after watching china rape Africa’s resources for the last decade, they are far less likely to capitulate.

The correct name of the party is the CPC. “CCP” is a good indicator for propaganda.
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