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Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by mort96 »

janandonly wrote: post #860
mort96 wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, I wish my iPad's chip was slower! I can't do anything other than watch videos and use drawing programs on an iPad, why does it need a big expensive power hungry and environmentally impactful CPU when one 1/10 the speed would do? If I could actually do something with an iPad there would be a different discussion, but the operating system is so incredibly gimped that the most demanding task it's really su…

Then the lower price point of the iPad should entice you more now.

When the A12Z is too powerful, the M2 is as well

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by bustling-noose »

slashdev wrote: post #72

I've got a Mac Pro paperweight because the motherboard went. It's going to the landfill. I can't even sell it for parts because I can't erase the SSD. If they didn't solder everything to the board you could actually repair it. When I replace my current Dell laptop, it will be with a repairable framework laptop.

Get a heat gun and remove the NAND. Then sell the rest of it to a local repair store or just give them for free if it's an old Mac Pro. The parts in your Mac Pro are something someone can reuse to restore their Mac Pro instead of a landfill. Not every part is security related. Also Apple may take the Mac Pro itself and give you store credit cause they do recycle it.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by marticode »

rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

Every chip coming this year (Intel, AMD, Qualcomm) has an AI processor. I am not sure Apple is doing anything special here.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by TheBigSalad »

tamrix wrote: post #840
KeplerBoy wrote: post #186

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If these things will ever get MacOS support it will be useless with 8 GB of Ram. Such a waste of nice components.

Why can't they just make it 12gb? It will sell far easier. It's all soldered on anyway.

The point is: 8GB of RAM is really, really cheap. Like $20 retail.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by qwerty456127 »

> M4 has Apple’s fastest Neural Engine ever, capable of up to 38 trillion operations per second, which is faster than the neural processing unit of any AI PC today.

How useful this is for free libraries? Can you invoke it from your Python or C++ code in a straightforward manner? Does it not rely on proprietary drivers only available for their own OS?

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by barbariangrunge »

dhx wrote: post #158

M2's Neural Engine had 15TOPS, M3's 18TOPS (+20%) vs. M4's 38TOPS (+111%). In transistor counts, M2 had 20BTr, M3 25BTr (+25%) and M4 has 28BTr (+12%). M2 used TSMC N5P (138MTr/mm2), M3 used TSMC N3 (197MTr/mm2, +43%) and M4 uses TSMC N3E (215MTr/mm2, +9%).[1][2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_nm_process#%225_nm%22_proces... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_nm_process#%223_nm%22_proces...

My m2 pro is already more powerful than I can use. The screen is too small to do big work like using a daw or doing video editing, the Magic Keyboard is uncomfortable so I stopped writing on it. All that processing power, I don’t know what it will be used for on a tablet without even a good file system. Lousy ergonomics

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Post by foobiekr »

1024core wrote: post #723

> capable of up to 38 trillion operations per second Assuming these are BF16 ops, by comparison, an H100 from NVIDIA will do 1979 teraFLOPS BF16. So this "Neural Engine" from Apple is 50x slower than an H100 PCIe version.

The h100 is $80k.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by kalleboo »

yazzku wrote: post #652
LtWorf wrote: post #614

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> This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy Is this the same apple whose devices do not work at all unless you register an apple account?

Some people really seem to be truly delusional. It's obvious that the company's "privacy" is a marketing gimmick when you consider the facts. Do people not consider the facts anymore? How does somebody appeal to the company's "privacy-first strategy" with a straight face in light of the facts? I suppose they are not aware of the advertising ID that is embedded in all Apple operating systems. That one doesn't even req…

What are the facts that people are not considering?

The advertising ID is useless as of App Tracking Transparency.

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Post by 999900000999 »

kalleboo wrote: post #868
999900000999 wrote: post #88

I'm extremely happy with my M1 iPad. The only real issue is aside from the screen eventually wearing out ( it already has a bit of flex), I can't imagine a reason to upgrade. It's powerful enough to do anything you'd use an iPad for. I primarily make music on mine, I've made full songs with vocals and everything ( although without any mastering - I think this is possible in Logic on iPad). It's really fun for quick j…

The USB-C port is on it's own separate board, so it's repairable with minimal waste https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPad+Pro+12.9-Inch+5th+Gen+USB-...

It's only 100$ or so to repair which isn't as bad as I thought.

https://simplyfixable.com/blog-detail/ipad-charging-port-rep...

But it's still not something I'd do on my own.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by throwaway1194 »

I dread using a Mac for any serious work, you lose a lot of the advantages of Linux (proper package and window management, native containers, built-in drivers for every hardware out there, excellent filesystems support, etc). And you get what exactly?
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