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US drug control agency will move to reclassify marijuana

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Post by pests »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #549
joshmarinacci wrote: post #326

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It is a gateway drug. When marijuana is illegal you have to get it from drug dealers, who have an incentive to upsell you to harder stuff. Make it legal and that gateway goes away.

In my experience, the weed dealers aren't the same dealers as the guys moving the harder stuff. If you can get meth from a guy, he can probably get you coke too. But your weed guy probably can't get you either. At least, IME with NYC dealers.

Yeah, my weed guys over the years were just some fellow stoners. The most cross-promotion I saw was for mushrooms or other psychedelics but I feel like that fits the stereotype. Once in awhile they might "have something" but I'm would be a one-off thing.

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Post by xmodem »

jpsouth wrote: post #894
xmodem wrote: post #788

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Oh my god. As someone who can't see well enough to get a license, but somehow can see bollards just fine as a passenger: If you can't see them, you shouldn't be fucking driving.

I’m a bit late responding, but thanks for accepting that you are unable to drive. As someone who hits the road most days, whether in a car or on a motorbike it’s absolutely crazy to witness the state of affairs going on on the roads. My uncle, who isn’t far off 80, but very fit and healthy has given his licence up this year after some pressure from family - I’ve been in the car with him driving and he isn’t safe, he…

It's not really a matter of accepting it or not - my eyesight is poor enough that I couldn't get a license if I tried.

I was also lucky enough to grow up in a place that provided generous benefits to people who couldn't see well enough to get a license - free public transport and 50% subsidised taxis. Having access to this mitigated the loss of economic opportunity significantly. Where I'm living now I don't get those benefits, but I'm in a position where I no longer need them.

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Post by eadmund »

eschaton wrote: post #756
xeonmc wrote: post #535

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The biggest problem is not the self-harm aspect but rather the social ramifications. Regulations and social expectations of where you can smoke should be as-strict as tobacco smoking, if not more since weed is just so much more stinky.

We don’t regulate where people can smoke tobacco because of the smell, we regulate where people can smoke tobacco because of the health impact of secondhand smoke.

> the health impact of secondhand smoke

Which is Ø. ‘Secondhand smoke’ is just an excellent reframing of ‘smell I dislike.’

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Post by eschaton »

eadmund wrote: post #913
eschaton wrote: post #756

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We don’t regulate where people can smoke tobacco because of the smell, we regulate where people can smoke tobacco because of the health impact of secondhand smoke.

> the health impact of secondhand smoke Which is Ø. ‘Secondhand smoke’ is just an excellent reframing of ‘smell I dislike.’

Hmm, I’ll be sure to tell the people I know with health problems from secondhand smoke that they’re wrong then, and that they should just get over themselves.

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Post by flawsofar »

rayiner wrote: post #879
flawsofar wrote: post #868

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What if being productive to society is actually harmful?

It's not. It's why you're not living in a hut, or worse.

Those who build weapons to kill children, then, are productivity heroes.

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Post by flawsofar »

rayiner wrote: post #877
kelseyfrog wrote: post #864

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Judging people is wrong. This isn't a controversial statement.

No it's not. Judging people is extremely important in order to enforce social conformity and norms. It's how we as social animals maintain civilization.

Please tell me more about your desire to “civilize” people through conformity to your chosen social norms

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Post by ineedaj0b »

joenot443 wrote: post #792
ineedaj0b wrote: post #617

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I find it far more likely it has not been studied to the degree alcohol has been, and as a larger sample of users is tested these results will change. I’ve heard every drug under the sun affect adhd for people lately, so I don’t know if that’s a divining rod for truth. Had a guy say Fentanyl really helped his adhd… hm okay. I think our definitions and condition criteria need to separate into more discerning terms for…

After reading through that paper, it's pretty clear the authors were thorough in their research. They're referencing many of dozens of studies with many thousands of participants. You mention that "results will change", but given that it's a lit review, I'm not sure which results you're talking about. I'm sure you read the contents of the link, so I'll ask directly - which study in particular did you find issue with?…

I am friends with a researcher at a drug and alcohol lab at a major state university. Obviously alcohol is bad but he's pretty clear: marijuana absolutely impairs. The functional difference is marijuana users will drive slower and be more cautious but they are still not 100%. He said if you gave drunk drivers more practice drunk driving they'd also improve! Not enough to make them safe however.

There's also the two different strains - they have an effect on why marijuana studies have conflicting results. The researchers source bad weed because the IRB has made it impossible.

I understand it all 'looks' solid but the sourced weed, the difficulty of finding quality participants before legalization, and the IRB has led to some interesting data. I think it will take more time, society is not there yet.

Alcohol studies get tons of funding, and have been studied for years and years. nearly 40ish? Weed didn't earnestly get looked at until the 2010s. Mushrooms have conflicting results according to him, and he's seen Kratom fail every study he's tried, and he tried a great deal to find some proof with that.

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Post by kinakomochidayo »

sorwin wrote: post #567
kinakomochidayo wrote: post #386

Great, let psychedelics be reclassified next

What we need is less drugs, and more fixing the issues on what causes people to turn to drugs.

actually, psychedelics help people get in touch with their core issues like childhood traumas which cause people to turn to drugs, games, overeating, etc, and help alleviate PTSD, OCD, etc. psychedelics are anti-addiction.

so we definitely need psychedelics rescheduled.

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