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Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by wtallis »

gtirloni wrote: post #695
nomel wrote: post #231

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Apple hasn’t had any plastic devices for some time now.

I'm referring to the 2010 polycarbonate one here: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/specs/macbook-cor... Not sure why my initial comment is -4 votes right now. What am I remembering wrong?

What you described as a transition to plastic for the MacBook was actually the final iteration of a fairly long line of plastic MacBooks, most of which were a pretty similar design to the pre-Intel iBook.

"MacBook" (not Pro) was plastic from the start, and introduced the same year as the MacBook Pro (always aluminum): 2006. The plastic MacBook was discontinued after the 2010 model. There was a one-off aluminum 13" MacBook in 2008, but it coexisted with the plastic MacBook and was not replaced by a plastic model—instead, the 13" model was promoted up to the MacBook Pro product line, which previously had been just 15" and 17".

After several years of not having a plain MacBook, Apple did the 12" aluminum MacBook from 2015 to 2017. It was basically what they wished the MacBook Air could be, but was too expensive and too thermally constrained to truly replace the MacBook Air of the time. It was killed when they finally upgraded the MacBook Air to have a Retina display.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by wtallis »

RIMR wrote: post #515

"Graphics-intensive games like Myst have incredibly realistic lighting, shadows, and reflections, thanks to the next-generation GPU of M3" This is the funniest thing I have ever seen in an Apple press release. Myst came out in 1993, and the "graphics-intensive" version of Myst that they are demonstrating is clearly realMyst which came out in February 2014, just a few months shy of a decade ago. Meanwhile, my wife is…

The realMyst from 2014 was actually realMyst: Masterpiece Edition, the Unity engine remake of the original realMyst from 2000 that used Cyan's own 3D engine (later used in Uru and Myst 5).

So Myst has to be one of the most-remade and ported games in the industry: five major iterations just on PC.

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Post by squokko »

rickdeckard wrote: post #579
threeseed wrote: post #476

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Apple shares anonymous usage data by default on all their operating systems and users are asked again on every major update. Given that there has never been any public incidents about it and what we know about similar defaults I would be surprised if Apple is getting less than 95% opt-in rate. But I suspect at high-end they only really care about the performance of a few dozen professional apps e.g. Logic or Final Cu…

> Given that there has never been any public incidents about it and what we know about similar defaults I would be surprised if Apple is getting less than 95% opt-in rate. A 95% opt-in rate is INSANELY high for any type of usage-stat opt-in, everything above 50% is usually outstanding. What is known about "similar defaults"?

Apple enjoys a level of consumer trust that essentially no other technology business, and almost no other business at all. Whether that's justified or not is a matter of opinion.

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Post by Eldandan »

wslh wrote: post #735

Really love the pace of Apple innovations. Nowadays, I am biased towards battery and weight (MacBook Air) if it is for portability and the other line of notebooks are converted into desktops via TB exactly because of weight and battery life. I feel the difference in battery use from one to the other. The Air seems like it has "infinite battery" evn when the others use Mx processors. Also waiting for a great Linux por…

I was seriously considering an m3 pro for the space black color until I confirmed it wasn't passively cooled. An extra monitor would be nice at work but the air is just too great as a laptop.

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Post by olliej »

coverband wrote: post #241

And still starting at 8GB of RAM… Disappointed.

and yet at this point pretty much expected. So obnoxious and odious - the reality is for any C/C++/rust or similar compilation you need a minimum of 1gb per compilation core for compilation alone, before you consider the rest of the OS :-/

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by kjkjadksj »

parl_match wrote: post #455
fastball wrote: post #340

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Sure, that's the title, but at least in this PR they immediately show a graph with a comparison to both. Presumably it makes more marketing sense to compare to the M1 family up front because most people that bought an M2 last year are probably not going to be upgrading to M3. They are speaking to the people most likely to upgrade.

fwiw, i cant remember the last time i saw a company go back more than a generation in their own comparison. Apple is saying here as much as they're not saying here. M2->M3 may not be a compelling upgrade story.

Apple always does game comparisons like this for their conferences though. The intel era was even worse with this iirc.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

nabakin wrote: post #884
photonerd wrote: post #204

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Depends. Is it faster? Then it's an upgrade. Has the CPU industry really managed to pull off it's attempt at a bs coup that more cores always === better? I thought we'd learned our lesson with the silly Mhz Myth already?

> Has the CPU industry really managed to pull off it's attempt at a bs coup that more cores always === better? I thought this at first then I realized the cost-performance benefit gained from adding more cores often outweighs just improving the performance of single cores. Even in gaming. I think this is what led AMD to create their Ryzen 9 line of CPUs with 12 cores in 2019. That being said, I abhor the deceptive ma…

Few game devs bother optimizing games to take advantage of multiple cores

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Post by kjkjadksj »

whynotminot wrote: post #468
frutiger wrote: post #413

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Easy to say but hard to prove. How much more expensive would an MBP be if they supported it? How many fewer units would they shift? Those are harder questions to answer. We could assume Apple crunched the numbers. Or perhaps they just stuck to the status quo. Only an insider or decision maker (maybe that’s you) knows.

I think their assumption is that if you’re the kind of pro that needs that many monitors, you’ll upgrade to the better chips they sell. But it’s a frustrating limitation and remains one of the only areas their old intel based laptops were better at.

Having 2 monitors isn’t even that ‘pro’ these days. I see receptionists with three sometimes.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

mrcwinn wrote: post #793
paulpan wrote: post #784

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The new M3 14" MBP seems to be a red herring - why does it even exist? Why not just refresh the MBA instead? An obvious rule of thumb is for "Pro"-branded laptops to only use "Pro"-branded chips. It's what they follow for the iPhone lineup, but I suppose iPad Pros also use non-Pro chips. Just seems like a very confusing SKU to create, and definitely something Steve wouldn't approve of.

I personally struggle with the 14". It feels too small to be productive on, at least for coding. Anyone else experience this? And yet, the MBA's screen in comparison is serviceable and nice, but nothing outstanding. That's the case for the MBP 14 (when the 16 is just too large and bulky).

The old 15” was like the perfect dimensions. It practically had the footprint of the present 14”, maybe even smaller. Apple made a big deal about how their new chips run so cool, yet they made the pro laptops as fat as they were in 2012 again so clearly thermals were an issue.

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Post by da39a3ee »

throw10920 wrote: post #907
TimTheTinker wrote: post #449

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I recommend sponsoring Hector Martin here: https://github.com/sponsors/marcan Yes, he's continuing to work on the long tail of drivers needed for Linux on Apple silicon. Looks like lately he's working on speakersafetyd, a daemon that will monitor audio levels and keep the builtin speakers from being damaged: https://github.com/marcan?tab=overview&from=2023-09-01&to=20...

You shouldn't link to Asahi Linux sites or individuals here - they (Asahi) don't like that.

How is anyone supposed to know this etiquette rule that you claim? As far as I know people are free to link to whatever they like subject to the laws of relevant jurisdictions.

For my part I would say that you shouldn't police other people and tell them what to do in public, or if you do it, soften it sightly.

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