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Serious question: why are we not concerned about losing manufacturing jobs for decades? They caused great pains to our nation, right? They weakened our nation too to the point that China seems unstoppable, right? How is that job loss different than this job loss?
The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.
I don’t know what country you live in, but I can tell you how it is in Sweden. As a freelancer I pay appropriately 70% of what I charge in taxes. How high do you think taxes can get before people stop putting energy into raising their productivity?
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That's currently the same issue it has for programming. It takes me longer to transcribe and factcheck the output than it would have for me to just write it from scratch. Writing the code stops being the bottleneck in software pretty quickly, and instead translating and merging business logic into existing software takes the most time.
For me, even if it were able to never make a mistake it would still be more annoying asking it questions over and over again to refine the output. Why would I use English (or whatever language) which is ambiguous compared to writing the code myself. I don't know I'm not buying the hype anymore. It is a cool tool but the idea that it would replace just writing code seems crazy to me.
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There is cutting costs and scaling. You need 9 other people for scaling. Imaging if you with GPT4 can replace 10 people with 1. What if you keep other 9 and train them to prompt on GPT? Now you have not 10 people working but 100 and a cost of 10.
I guess the follow-up question is: if you do value these 100 units of work (1 employee == 1 unit pre-GPT), why did you only have 10 workers at the beginning? Doesn't it mean that 10 units of work is what you thought was optimal? What are you going to do with 100? Or maybe you're implying that reducing the costs changes this equation?
The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.
The fact that anyone today thinks that any other economic system we’ve ever tried is any better than the one we have is a damning indictment of our education system.
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The fact that you jump straight to Communism (without having the balls to openly say it) when nobody even mentioned it, that's a damning indictment of your education system. Or religious doctrine, I should say. Ever thought that maybe Capitalism is just a small step in human history and that we can definitely do better? I wonder what happened to innovation, is it fine only as long as it doesn't threaten the status qu…
There are loads of other economic systems. Feudalism, oligarchy, tribal pastoralism, you name it. I was mainly thinking in terms of critiquing the idea that value is created by labour, since HyperSane mentioned it twice in comments. It happens that the labour theory of value in central to Marx but it’s not exclusive to him. Adam Smith indulged a lesser form of it in one of his uncharacteristic slip ups in economic th…
I still stan (a version of) capitalism, I agree it's better than the other systems, but I do always get a giggle when people act like communism caused the worst disasters in history. They're not great, to be sure, but at least the Communists were mostly killing their own people through incompetence rather instead of killing the entire planet for avarice. It's humans all the way down, doesn't matter what system. Either you have accountability, or you don't and if you don't bad things happen.
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I’m still a high earner so I’m fine. I still have approximately $7500/month after my taxes are paid. That’s a lot since all medical care, 1 year parental leave, my kids education from kindergarten through high school etc are “free”, e.g. paid with my taxes. My point was not to complain but to say to the guy that claims that we need a new system with more wealth distribution that those systems already exist. There are…
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What job will appear that a machine can't do better. Plumber comes to mind. It isn't inconceivable however that Boston robotics couldn't hack that if they could connect one of their robots to a general problem solver that takes visual input.
Everything human related, more services as therapy, yoga, massage coaching etc.
The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.
What do you mean by fairly distributed? If all my machines are better than you intellectually and all my machines are stronger and faster than you physically... Then it is completely fair for me to not give you any wealth because the machines out perform you. People fear AI because the fair outcome is in fact detrimental for a good portion of humanity. That is the paradoxical irony. In theory to save people you must…
This is only true for perverted definition of the word "fair" which allows owners/investors to perpetually capture 99.9% of the value produced by people who research, develop, build, and operate "your" machines.
When this is your ground truth, I can see how you would perceive a truly fair distribution of value created through thousands of years of collective human ingenuity, creativity, and hard work, as "unfair". Particularly in a post-singularity world where AGI and robots replace the majority of human work.