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Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

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Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#911
post #860

This was the only rational course of action. It's slightly disheartening to see so many people on HN willing to invite a wider collapse of the US banking system in order to punish/hurt a group of people they deem to be "elite". Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!

> It's slightly disheartening to see so many people on HN willing to invite a wider collapse of the US banking system in order to punish/hurt a group of people they deem to be "elite".

People are tired of being around rhetoric that students are undeserving of a bailout because they decided to take loans from banks that were more than willing to lend them money for degrees with no prospects of recouping, however, when banks make their own poor decisions the banks plead with the regulators they've been deregulating, defanging, and lobbying, there are calls for yet __another__ round of socialism. Only now we have no choice because the options are a) bailouts or b) systemic collapse of life as we know it. Tone-deaf.

We are now changing definitions as to what a 'systemically important bank' is, apparently it is no longer 1 of the big-5, but any bank that has 200,000 depositors. Why and how is a bank with 200,000 depositors in a position to bring the entire financial system to a halt?

In his Twitter spaces, Jason C. said that he is now a newly minted 'single-issue voter' looking at candidates that call for limiting of spending. Mind you, after he went on his all caps tirade on Twitter in an attempt to stoke fear.

What's disheartening is seeing the complete disconnect in comments like yours with the optics of the situation.

People aren't inviting the collapse of the system; they are criticizing the complete hypocrisy of those that call for financial prudence when it's other people's problems or needs but blame the government when they are now in a precarious situation. Utterly self-serving and shameless.

We're slowly chipping away at the social contract, seemingly all while forgetting the previous times when bank bailouts were given.

Rationalize this however you want, at the end of the day a bank mismanaged risk, it's C-suites cashed out before news hit, those in the know using means such as Podcast at their disposal, used their privileged position in order to get themselves out of harm’s way before others could, and now want losses to get socialized.

These guys will never learn, this will happen again, and in 10 years we'll be right back here, only eggs will cost 30$ a dozen and you'll be financing your microwave.

Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#912
post #42

Wow, here’s the real news: > Any losses to the Deposit Insurance Fund to support uninsured depositors will be recovered by a special assessment on banks, as required by law. Note the uninsured depositors clause in there — FDIC &co seem to have acted unilaterally to extend deposit insurance beyond the 250k and to the full amounts of any deposit account. And they are charging the banks for it. If this doesn’t stop a ru…

This round of bank failures was special because the debt held by these banks lost value because there is better stuff on the market, not because there was anything intrinsically uncollectable about the original debt. In fact, the debt probably is pretty similar to stuff held by everyone else in this ecosystem. This provides flexibility to meet the urgency of the situation, and FDIC, Fed, Treasury are simply saying "w…

> In fact, the debt probably is pretty similar to stuff held by everyone else in this ecosystem.

This doesn't appear to be true. Everything I've read points to SVB being truly unique in their lack of risk management. SVB left these positions unhedged against rates. That is very atypical.

Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#913
post #606

The discourse on this thread and Twitter is astoundingly inept. If the FDIC had permitted uninsured depositors to not be made whole, there would’ve been a systemic risk to American banking. Confidence in the banking system is critical to its well functioning. Quite literally banks are built by confidence that their depositors will get their money back. Discussing whether SVBs depositors should’ve taken a haircut miss…

> Confidence in the banking system is critical to its well functioning Some might say that confidence created this situation in the first place.

Confidence fell in SVB specifically.

We did not see broad bank runs because confidence in the banking system did not fall. And now we can see why: because the FDIC backstopped depositors.

Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#914

We deserve to see more useful top comments on this matter. The top ones in this and the main announcement thread [1] are just ad hominem complaining against some ostensibly "salty" or "cognitively dissonant" majority. Let's talk about skin in the game and bailouts. Explain to a peasant why he should have to share the risk you took with your money. Explain to him this game being played where he gains nothing when you…

> can someone explain how it's possible that despositors are fully protected, far beyond what FDIC insures, without the taxpayer bearing any of the burden

Depositors are made whole. Shareholders are not. There were enough assets sold over the weekend to cover deposits.

Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#915

We deserve to see more useful top comments on this matter. The top ones in this and the main announcement thread [1] are just ad hominem complaining against some ostensibly "salty" or "cognitively dissonant" majority. Let's talk about skin in the game and bailouts. Explain to a peasant why he should have to share the risk you took with your money. Explain to him this game being played where he gains nothing when you…

Does this comment really start by complaining the rest aren't "useful" and then immediately switched to assuming it knows better than Janet Yellen about whether something will cost taxpayers?

Also, there isn't a bailout - protecting unnamed bank depositors is not a useful definition of a bailout.

Also, you spelled "depositors" wrong.

Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#917

It's a bailout. They're putting the cost, presently unknown and probably not huge, on the other banks. But the message to depositors everywhere, of every size, is "don't worry about your bank's solvency, we'll protect you". So market scrutiny is removed as a discipline on bank asset strategy. That leaves regulation as the only control. That politicizes and bureaucratizes bank lending. And the general presumption that…

Modern civilized societies enable specialization.

You don't have to study plumbing, electricity, medicine, etc - you can buy all this stuff as a service. If something breaks, a person comes and fixes it.

This allows you to specialize on whatever you want to do - say, build a startup. Software. Painting.

This is absolutely, definitely more efficient than forcing everyone to learn plumbing.

Financial system is basically plumbing for money. It should be easier than plumbing, as in plumbing requires us to deal with unpredictable forces of nature. Money is completely in our minds, so controlling it should be trivial in comparison.

But it's not as reliable as plumbing. Which means it's poorly designed. People intentionally made it convoluted to make it possibly to fish in troubled waters.

If you claim that only people with "the wit" deserve their savings to be safe, you're disgusting.

The government is responsible for fiat money, by definition. They should make it safe. SVB problems were caused by insane interest rate jerk by the Fed. They caused the problem, they should fix it.

How it should work: government money is safe, but inflationary. If you have "the wit" you can escape from inflation. Last time I checked, the government does not prevent anyone from offering inflation-hedged products. Financial institutions can use the entirety of math to offer whatever they want.

Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#918

I have never seen such cognitive dissonance here at HN -- which I feel is really saying something! As an SVB customer who had to wire payroll on Tuesday, our perspective is naturally sharpened, but I found the lack of empathy here over the weekend galling. On the one hand, this is understandable, and Silicon Valley has done much to earn collective distrust. On the other hand, this is emphatically not all of us: many…

> I have never seen such cognitive dissonance here at HN

> ...

> maybe stop tweeting images of guillotines

You're seeing randos on Twitter tweeting shit and somehow twisting it to suggest that HN commenters are doing this? Lumping together these edgy tweets in with the HN comments, which are by and large pretty inoffensive and civil, is a bit of a reach.

I am sure it is a bit of a stressful time to be an SVB customer and maybe it's a bit jarring to see people discussing its demise in such an open and matter-of-fact way. But I'm sorry, if you don't want to see people discussing the pros and cons of bailing out your bank, do not read the comments of a submission where your bank is being bailed out.

Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#919
post #606

The discourse on this thread and Twitter is astoundingly inept. If the FDIC had permitted uninsured depositors to not be made whole, there would’ve been a systemic risk to American banking. Confidence in the banking system is critical to its well functioning. Quite literally banks are built by confidence that their depositors will get their money back. Discussing whether SVBs depositors should’ve taken a haircut miss…

Shouldn't the goal be to create a bank ecosystem that is more robust? So that the failure of one does not lead to a domino reaction of failures?

Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#920

We deserve to see more useful top comments on this matter. The top ones in this and the main announcement thread [1] are just ad hominem complaining against some ostensibly "salty" or "cognitively dissonant" majority. Let's talk about skin in the game and bailouts. Explain to a peasant why he should have to share the risk you took with your money. Explain to him this game being played where he gains nothing when you…

>If these statements are true, can someone explain how it's possible that despositors are fully protected, far beyond what FDIC insures, without the taxpayer bearing any of the burden? The shareholders already lost everything and unsecured creditors are about to lose everything. That's still not enough to make all depositors whole though, which is why the statement said the FDIC will be paying for the rest and fundin…

Do we know for sure that there’s not enough to make all depositors whole, all assets considered? Or is it just that they can’t quickly liquidate things to get to the total?

I had read a summary of a Kleiner Perkins analysis recently that said the total assets they hold, some of which are those awful-yielding instruments they’re locked into for 10 years, covers their assets. But since some of those instruments cannot be liquidated anywhere close to quickly, the FDIC will just need to hold onto those for awhile and front money for the bank in the short term.

Of course, who knows if that analysis or the summary of it is correct.

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