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Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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When you go vegan for a few years, you can absolutely smell raw ground beef. It's not a good smell.

Are you sure it is the beef and not something about the packaging?

Not the parent, but you can absolutely smell raw meat. It also lingers on dishes, and it seems at some level to also be a cultural thing whether you can detect the smell. Arabs also have a word for the smell - "zankha"

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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>vegan cheese My old boss was vegan (or rather his wife was and he was very accommodating of her diet, he would still eat meat outside the home). He would always mention that the fanciest, most expensive vegan cheese option out there set itself apart from the rest with the tagline "It melts!" on the packaging. Vegan cheese has to come a long way to be anywhere comparable to real cheese. The same applies to synthetic…

It depends on what you are looking for with the vegan cheese. If you want something to go with a charcuterie plate, there are really good cultured cashew milk cheeses. They are more akin to cheese spreads though, something like this [0] But if you are looking for something like a slice of cheddar or vegan mac-n-cheese the options are really pretty terrible and all have an aftertaste like you just ate a spoonful of Cr…

Not knowing anything about vegan cheeses, are there options that would be something similar to say brie, camembert, emmental, fontina, gruyère, havarti, manchego, parmigiano reggiano, or roquefort?

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There's synthetic leather too. And there's vegan cheese https://www.reddit.com/r/vegancheesemaking and of course vegan yogurt etc. (you can make yogurt with coconut milk for example)

>vegan cheese My old boss was vegan (or rather his wife was and he was very accommodating of her diet, he would still eat meat outside the home). He would always mention that the fanciest, most expensive vegan cheese option out there set itself apart from the rest with the tagline "It melts!" on the packaging. Vegan cheese has to come a long way to be anywhere comparable to real cheese. The same applies to synthetic…

There are several products lined up to come out next year that use casein produced by genetically modified plants. There are already products with similar whey protein from plants on the market. For example I've been loving Brave Robot ice cream.

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To each their own. I greatly enjoy the flavor of meat, but feel like a serial killer when I think about the animal suffering and to a lesser extend carbon emissions. While I also get a slightly odd feeling in my stomach from Impossible beef (doesn't happen with their cyber chicken), it's a tradeoff I'm excited to make 1-2 a month to get the flavor of a burger without feeling like I just tortured a puppy.

I'm sorry. I really tried to just lurk this thread, but. What in the flying fuck is "cyber chicken". I'm assuming this is a joke, right!?

Sorry, I prefix plant-based/meat-substitute products with "cyber" instead of one of the more boring options because it makes me giggle. I shouldn't have used it with people not familiar with my in-joke.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Aren't veggie patties full of chemicals too?

The Bizarre Truth About “Natural Flavors” https://branchbasics.com/blogs/food/the-bizarre-truth-about-...

Regarding MSG, isn't it naturally present in many savory/umami dishes including tomatoes, potatoes, corn, peas, salted and shiitake mushrooms, broccoli, walnuts, etc.?

Not to mention salted meat, fish, fish/worcestershire sauce, soy sauce, vegemite...

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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In India, which has the world's largest vegetarian population, there seems to still be a rapid expansion of fast-food burger restaurants taking place (e.g. https://www.burgersinghonline.com/menu ). They cater to this large demographic with low-cost burgers where the meat patty is replaced with a range of existing Indian foods (deep fried cottage cheese, potatoes with mixed vegetables and spices, etc). A single Beyond…

To be fair, vegetarian Indians probably wouldn't eat something like the Impossible burger anyway for fear of eating meat, nor is the taste or texture of real meat appealing to them.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Speaking as a vegan, I really don't want food that imitates the taste of meat and I will refuse to eat anything that's been prepared on the same griddle or using the same utensils as meat.

Pretty much how fast food outlets in India work - the kitchens are divided into vegetarian and non-vegetarian sections, with separate utensils, fryers - everything. You can walk into a KFC in India and get vegetarian options that were cooked in an entirely vegetarian section.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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> If the companies can get their products to taste about the same as meat, and have about the same nutritional value, while being cheaper, we can eliminate enormous amounts of habitual meat consumption. Habitual meat eater here. I will never ever trust these products to be right for my body the way meat is. Humans haven’t nailed it in the past with heavily processed foods, why would it suddenly work now? I understand…

> right for my body the way meat is Where did you get that idea? Meat consumption in developer contries is excessive and far from healthy.

When I don't eat meat I perform poorly in the gym and generally feel worse.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Maybe the industry will realize that most vegetarians and vegans find anything like meat revolting. They much prefer vegetarian meals that are not ultra-processed and still resemble the vegetable used to make them. Personally, the taste and look of beyond meat make me urge and feel like vomiting. It looks and tastes too much like a dead animal. I never miss the taste of meat, in fact, I hate the idea of eating anythi…

Even in one of the countries with the highest percentage of vegetarians (India; though you can argue that poverty has an impact, since we know that meat consumption goes up with revenue), vegetarians and vegans only make up about 30% of the population. In the rest of the world it's generally max 10%, if not 5% or lower. So for any of these companies go make it big, they need to cater to the 90%+ of people who like me…

While 30% of Indians are strictly vegetarian, I would suggest that probably another 40% are largely vegetarian, only eating meat occasionally. Growing up in a major city in India, we ate maybe a single chicken based meal a week, and this was largely the norm in my social cohort. While a major reason was definitely money (poultry and red meat is ridiculously expensive in comparison to the vegetarian staples), it's also just cultural. My family grew up seeing meat as a special treat, and most of our meat dishes are very rich and can only be eaten occasionally.
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