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Post by virgildotcodes »

BWStearns wrote: post #890
virgildotcodes wrote: post #879

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But then we get into the balkanization of our society with increasing polarization and extremism, no?

Before social media did anyone read every book ever published? Did anyone read all the rejected manuscripts to avoid the censorious hand of the publishing houses? Of course not, we accepted that someone (editors) were doing some first pass quality check and even then we pick what areas are interesting. There's two related but distinct problems: the moderation problem and the village idiots problem[0]. Polarization _c…

I think you may have misinterpreted what I was saying. I'm not arguing against moderation, I was saying I believe the self-reinforcing bubbles of social media on e.g. Facebook and Reddit have been a big driver of polarization and extremism.

Before social media, most people didn't get their info from books, they got it from TV, and you had a couple big channels that essentially led to most people having some sort of consensus on the few versions of reality that were broadcast by the media.

Whether that was a good thing or a bad thing is another discussion, but at least we didn't have the degree of balkanization and polarization we do now.

I was saying that having social media function as is, but doubling down on tools to help people screen out what they don't like, which is what the person I was responding to suggested, would, I think, just accelerate that balkanization. So I don't know that it's a good solution.

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Post by shepherdjerred »

tstrimple wrote: post #906
shepherdjerred wrote: post #854

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How do you expect to have a discussion with a Republican if you hold them with such contempt? You realize that they represent roughly half of the country right? I didn’t really care about your point about Kanye, I can more about people sowing division.

Why do people always resort to argumentum ad populum when it comes to defending the insanity that the modern Republican party has come to represent. They can't be wrong or immoral, there's millions of them!

> defending the insanity that the modern Republican party

I am not defending radicals. I never said they weren't wrong. My point is that you can't tell half of the country to just screw off. And, not all conservatives hold radical positions. I know many that vote conservative mainly because of the issue of abortion.

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Post by balls187 »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #912
tstrimple wrote: post #906

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Why do people always resort to argumentum ad populum when it comes to defending the insanity that the modern Republican party has come to represent. They can't be wrong or immoral, there's millions of them!

> defending the insanity that the modern Republican party I am not defending radicals. I never said they weren't wrong. My point is that you can't tell half of the country to just screw off. And, not all conservatives hold radical positions. I know many that vote conservative mainly because of the issue of abortion.

> I am not defending radicals...I know many that vote conservative mainly because of the issue of abortion.

And how is this not radical? https://www.justice.gov/crt/recent-cases-violence-against-re...

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Post by balls187 »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #854
balls187 wrote: post #802

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Turning a blind eye to how prevalent radical ideology permeates the conservative base is also not helpful. https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/poll... But you missed my point--by galvanizing the conservative base that is racist, homophobic, sexist, and anti-semetic, it leaves the rest of conservative party with an impossible choice--support a democratic candidate, or vote party line. That is how K…

How do you expect to have a discussion with a Republican if you hold them with such contempt? You realize that they represent roughly half of the country right? I didn’t really care about your point about Kanye, I can more about people sowing division.

> How do you expect to have a discussion with a Republican if you hold them with such contempt? You realize that they represent roughly half of the country right?

I'm all for having discussions across the aisle--so to speak. But not with racists, homophobes, anti-Semites, misogynists, etc.

You want to talk to me about abortion being a crime, I'll be respectful, and I'll even share my own personal story related to abortion.

Want to talk to me about border security, and better immigration policy, I'm with you as well.

Want to talk to me about criminal justice, sure, I'm down.

Government spending--yep, cool too.

But those centrist conservative beliefs no longer represent the mainstream viewpoints of the Republican party anymore.

And personally, I do not have issues with republicans--but I do think the ones who believe Biden stole the election are idiots.

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Post by BizarroLand »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #213
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

It's sad because to become successful Kanye had to ignore hundreds/thousands of important people telling him he wasnt good enough and he would never make it as a rapper. Then he became, arguably, the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time. Now image you've done what seems impossible despite countless people telling you it wont work out. You are in the top 1% of fame. Now someone tells you your other ideas are…

It's also common for people who win a Nobel Prize to go on to endorse and study widely discredited crackpot ideas.

https://slate.com/technology/2015/06/tim-hunt-on-women-scien...

It's almost as if there is something that happens once you have a major, incontestible success, that you come to believe that your victory had little to do with luck and more to do with destiny or some inherent quality that you possess, and therefore the one masterpiece is a shadow of what is to come.

That foolish idea has led to many great follies.

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Post by hunterb123 »

tstrimple wrote: post #903
hunterb123 wrote: post #877

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The US was the only country to decrease emissions over the decades while growing our energy output, all countries in the Paris Climate Accord failed to do so. We did it because of fracking nat. gas replacing coal due to innovation. Capitalism brings a lot of innovation including advancements in green energy too. Tesla was able to economically compete and take a huge segment away from the automobile giants through cap…

Since the first sentence is an outright fabrication, I don't hold much hope the rest is any better. https://www.ecosystemmarketplace.com/articles/21-countries-r...

Learn to read. I said reducing emissions while growing ENERGY OUTPUT. Not GDP.

Of course GDP grew for all countries over a decade, if it's not that means your country is doing worse than inflation rates lol.

European countries energy output shrank due to outsourcing their energy to places like Russia (something that recently just bit them in the ass)

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Post by nailer »

poorlyknit wrote: post #876
nailer wrote: post #872

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Wanting to stop fraud isn’t the same thing as wanting to stop political speech you don’t like.

Free speech isn't just about political speech though.

That’s true but I don’t think it includes fraud by most people’s definition (which is most of what the fake Elon bots are doing).

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Post by rewgs »

tanseydavid wrote: post #831
rewgs wrote: post #541

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> He's made blatant antisemitic remarks and yet his popularity among the right grows. You say this as if the latter isn't a direct result of the former.

Are you insinuating that "the right" is anti-semitic? That's quite a reach.

Im not insinuating it, I’m saying it. It’s clear as day to anyone who’s been paying attention, one reason being the connection you yourself pointed out. How else can you explain antisemitic comments leading to higher popularity amongst the right, other than the right generally agreeing with or at least being sympathetic to antisemitic views?

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Post by shepherdjerred »

balls187 wrote: post #913
shepherdjerred wrote: post #912

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> defending the insanity that the modern Republican party I am not defending radicals. I never said they weren't wrong. My point is that you can't tell half of the country to just screw off. And, not all conservatives hold radical positions. I know many that vote conservative mainly because of the issue of abortion.

> I am not defending radicals...I know many that vote conservative mainly because of the issue of abortion. And how is this not radical? https://www.justice.gov/crt/recent-cases-violence-against-re...

Should I post some links about young white males shooting up schools and conclude that all young white males are radical?

Do you truly believe that every (or every most) republicans are radical?

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Post by nautilius »

sangnoir wrote: post #577
letterlib wrote: post #420

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There are a lot of examples of this and the left has had some truly great advocates for free speech. In terms of time period, the Red Scare and Mccarthyism was a time when the left was being heavily censored by the right. The Civil Rights movements as well with MLK during the 1960s and then Frank Kameny in the 1970s trying to get rights for gays. Other leftist advocates for free speech include Obama, Elenor Roosevelt…

What counts as "free speech" tends to be subjective: was MLK pro-free-speech or against it? That depends on whose speech you're considering. I can give even earlier counter-examples with left/right flipped (e.g. abolitionist literature in the south). My initial point wasn't that it never happened, only to show there were never deliberate, strategic positions on free speech by the left or right- only messy tactical ci…

So why do you think Obama does not have a right to free speech?
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