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"The United States was neutral until the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941, leading them to enter the war." I'd say active is still better here.
I would disagree. This sentence is about the Unites States, not Japan, and the use of passive voice reflects that.
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Reminds me of when GitHub stopped using "master" for the default branch because it was somehow offensive.
My opinion: `main` is better. It's shorter, it's more descriptive, and costs nothing to remove something someone might find offensive. It's pretty much an all around win.
I wonder if this is an example of not knowing your audience (or rather assuming one's self represents a wider audience than it does). The people vouching for this at Google are likely product marketing managers, public relations folks, social media managers, etc. All they do is write corporate garbage all day, and much like we have "nit"s in PR's for formatting, variable names, etc; they likely have similar reviews t…
I support it and I don’t work for google. I like this feature that encourages more empathy in this strife and hate filled world.
Not hiring union-busting consultants to convince employees to not join a union against their best interests.
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These people remind me of crusaders a thousand years ago, fighting the "infidels" all over. In fact, the whole body of thought governing them reminds me too much of the Latin Church. I have no words to express how I detest the kind of thinking behind them.
How many people have these people killed and how many wars have they started in the name of inclusivity?
The digital and public life is so important for many people today that, if you eliminate them there, it's like killing a good chunk of their lives.
These people wage crusades against individual reputations and public/digital lives. Just because they think differently.
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Why is an analogy to slavery a bad thing? Such that even references to the concept need to banned The Partition of India was a horrific tragedy and killed 2 million people. Does this mean we should do away with partition_sort ?
Partition_sort isn't an analogy to the Partition of India (which isn't the traditionally understood meaning of the word 'partition'). In terms of analogies, we're much closer to if we'd decided to call a "delete all" function the "genocide" function. If computer programmers had widely used that terminology for the last three decades it might sound a bit less weird to us and the cohort of people shouting "that's such…
However, since Slav and slave evolved into distinct words and slavery is a larger phenomenon than the Partition, I'd say your point stands.
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"Avoid using gray-box, graybox, or gray box to describe testing." "grayed-out, greyed-out, gray out, grey out Don't use. Instead, use unavailable." WTF are these people on about. Oh it's because they hate certain color words such as "black" and "white", words used by humans to indicate certain reflectivity properties of light; since it would be weird to only prohibit words which contain white or black, they just exte…
It’s not a race thing, it’s a disability thing — “greyed out” is only something that makes sense to someone who can see, it’s confusing the actual concept with the visual indicator of the concept. It’s the same with “the box is checked” to mean “selected” or “redlining a contract” to mean “negotiating.” The point of inclusive language isn’t some weird political points contest. It’s writing in a manner that’s clear to…
In other words, by trying to be inclusive about allowlist aren't you taking away opportunity to include ESL folks in that rich history?
Anyone will have to ask/learn about able/denylist behavior anyways on their first encounter, and learning "whitelist" would have a multiplier effect that increases comprehension of the numerous similar usages they will inevitably encounter. That seems like active inclusivity to me, but I wouldn't be surprised if I'm missing something (I hadn't ever thought down this line until I read your comment).
Note: I'm specifically asking about otherwise neutral terms and have come around on avoiding any terms that are still used in the same way as their offensive history (e.g. no master/slave but yes master debater).
> Social editor Emily Lipstein typed “Motherboard” (as in, the name of this website) into a document and Google popped up to tell her she was being insensitive: “Inclusive warning. Some of these words may not be inclusive to all readers. Consider using different words.” If blacklist is considered non-inclusive language, why isn’t motherboard? Motherboard is a needlessly gendered term that perpetuates stereotypes.
> needlessly gendered term that perpetuates stereotypes. The stereotype that mothers... are... computer parts...? I don't get it, what's the stereotype?
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Maybe because expansion boards were called daughterboards? https://www.techopedia.com/definition/6772/daughterboard
Sure. The OED even lists them as contemporary coinages: [1965 Wireless World July 49/2 (advt.) Contact tail variations..include..tails for direct mounting to a ‘mother’ printed circuit board.] 1965 Electronics 6 Sept. 36/1 Nine daughterboards, each carrying 30 circuit packages, go on each side of a motherboard. However, that's just an analogy: it doesn't actually tell you anything about what the motherboard does or w…
I still wonder, how blacklist/whitelist or master/slave has helped or promoted slavery and racism. And how many devs who are from black communities offended by the use of these terms, at least before it was made to be an issue in mainstream. Because right now I feel like this is a "woke feminist" issue. And I'm not a white person. I've never thought otherwise of these words, but maybe that can be because of the mixed…
"On metaphor, master is a useful example. The basic concept of the master as a leader or person of authority has extended into a great many metaphorical usages. One of them was its use as a title on plantations worked by slaves...That makes sensible the elimination of certain other uses of the word, which parallel and summon the slavery one...in the 1970s, such schools had just begun a call to stop having male teachers called "master" and female teachers called "teacher," in favor of having all instructors called simply "teacher"...This meant that young subordinates had been calling white men in positions of authority "master," after all—including, by the 1970s, more than a few black students. And today's call to stop referring to technology parts as "master" versus "slave" attachments follows in the same vein, as it directly channels what was so offensive about the slavery usage...However, other extensions of the word master do not meaningfully resemble the plantation one, and only a kind of obsession could explain spraying for them now. Are we to consider it racist to refer simply to mastering a skill? To master tape as opposed to dupes...The plantation meaning of master was one tributary of a delta of extensions of the word; it should go, but we need not fill in the entire delta."
And for emphasis I'm pulling this one out of the main block:
** "To be human is to make distinctions." **
https://reason.com/2020/08/12/is-your-master-bedroom-racist/
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Either way, people here aren't discriminated based on their race. Never were. This particular problem seems to be uniquely American because of their history. We do have a word for racism by the way. It's, unsurprisingly, "расизм".
> Either way, people here aren't discriminated based on their race. Never were. This particular problem seems to be uniquely American because of their history. I suspect you are overlooking some pretty pervasive discrimination against minority groups because you have become accustomed to it, and/or because you aren't personally affected by it. While racism in Russia appears to have been improving over the last decade…
Anyone who thinks otherwise: go out and talk to ethnically Asian people more. (For an outsider, keep in mind that anywhere in Russian Siberia there are very large indigenous Asian populations in proportion to total.)
My Asian friends are routinely discriminated against purely based on their appearance: subject to searches at subway entrances, subject to disdainful attitude by government officials, salespeople and other citizens. They will have trouble renting flats, etc.
This is significantly worse in western parts of Russia (where you can be targeted by gangs and skinheads), but is still present in their part of the country.
And it is those who were lucky to have gone to good schools and speak perfect Russian. Things are dimmer for someone who has a stronger accent.
Most of my Asian friends never talk about it, but one did, after which I started making observations and reevaluating past ones and recognized that it is very much true.
Those of middle eastern ethnicities (often immigrants and their descendants) have likely even harder time.