Oh this is awesome! I hope the rest of the world follows suit. My kids are basically sleep deprived for a week solid every year the clocks change.
US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
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#912Am I the only one who finds the naming of this bill Orwellian?
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#913I'm surprised at the number of commenters who think permanent DST is favourable to night owls and bad for morning people. I think it's night owls and delayed-cycle teenagers attending school who will suffer most under permanent DST. In the Winter, permanent DST means everyone has to get up an hour earlier for work or school's clock time, relative to the sun which regulates their body rhythm. Someone pointed out virtu…
Not to go off topic, but everyone seems to just ignore everyone not working 9-5. I mean if you work night-shift, morning shift, evening shift, you already have weird circadian rhythms, and out-of-sync school schedules. And yet, somehow, they seem to function as humans. So maybe that 1 hour difference for 4 months a year won't actually result in the zombie apocalypse. People will adapt just fine.
> And yet, somehow, they seem to function as humans
I know various people who work in shifts. It's really bad for your rhythm. It takes months before people find a way to deal with the effects. It's worth it due to the additional money they earn, that's it.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#914I'm surprised at the number of commenters who think permanent DST is favourable to night owls and bad for morning people. I think it's night owls and delayed-cycle teenagers attending school who will suffer most under permanent DST. In the Winter, permanent DST means everyone has to get up an hour earlier for work or school's clock time, relative to the sun which regulates their body rhythm. Someone pointed out virtu…
Norway would be the counter argument to everything you've said. Highly educated, longest living, least depressed. And the sun is out at midnight 76 days per year there. Humans are adaptable. A -permanent- hour change would surely be less harmful than changing said hours twice a year.
The meaning is that permanent standard time is preferable to permanent DST, because it's more important during winter: during summer you get plenty of sunlight no matter what you have on the clock. That is, if we optimize for health instead of shopping.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#915I'm surprised at the number of commenters who think permanent DST is favourable to night owls and bad for morning people. I think it's night owls and delayed-cycle teenagers attending school who will suffer most under permanent DST. In the Winter, permanent DST means everyone has to get up an hour earlier for work or school's clock time, relative to the sun which regulates their body rhythm. Someone pointed out virtu…
I don't like it when the sun comes up early. Unless you have really dark curtains, then you don't get to choose when to wake up. You wake up when the sun comes up. So if you stayed up late, fuck you, here's some bright sun at 6am. Oh, and you're coming home for the day at 5 or 6p? Fuck you, here's some darkness. I can't understand how anyone would be against DST.
You can also buy a nice eyecover for 2 dollars.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#916I'm surprised at the number of commenters who think permanent DST is favourable to night owls and bad for morning people. I think it's night owls and delayed-cycle teenagers attending school who will suffer most under permanent DST. In the Winter, permanent DST means everyone has to get up an hour earlier for work or school's clock time, relative to the sun which regulates their body rhythm. Someone pointed out virtu…
Norway would be the counter argument to everything you've said. Highly educated, longest living, least depressed. And the sun is out at midnight 76 days per year there. Humans are adaptable. A -permanent- hour change would surely be less harmful than changing said hours twice a year.
Only the far north of Norway has a long polar night, down south the days are short but not much different to many other places. In the north, the winter causes more sleep problems and some low mood/energy. (sources below)
But this is false equivalence as it's studying a different thing. Also it is very difficult to compare mental health studies across countries and attribute differences to single causes as there are so many confounding factors. In Norway there is a good standard of living, a social safety net, cheap healthcare and many other factors that are proven to be beneficial to mental health.
Humans are adaptable but sometime I think it's more accurate to say that humans tolerate different environments. We often don't adapt to them, we cope with them.
[1] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/psychological-medici... [2] https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/147...
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#917In Denmark (EU) we are currently switching timezones twice a years, which is a huge PITA for people like me with a sensitive circadian cycle. The EU has opened for the individual countries in the EU to settle on permanent DST or permanent normal time. In order of preference I choose: 1. permanent normal time 2. permanent summer time 3. switching between normal time and summer time twice a year
The EU directive kind of fizzled out because of Covid. It was meant to be decided in 2021, this year we were not going to change the clocks. But the negotiations are stuck in bureaucratic limbo.
I don't really mind moving the clocks twice a year, it keeps things interesting at least, but now that the US has voted to stop doing it I imagine the rest of the world will follow. Or maybe the EU will decide to keep switching, just to be seen to not copy the Americans.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#918I'm surprised at the number of commenters who think permanent DST is favourable to night owls and bad for morning people. I think it's night owls and delayed-cycle teenagers attending school who will suffer most under permanent DST. In the Winter, permanent DST means everyone has to get up an hour earlier for work or school's clock time, relative to the sun which regulates their body rhythm. Someone pointed out virtu…
It’s like taking something that was set up to do A, and saying that we shouldn’t deprecate it because it’s going to do B
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#919this is so dumb. other things to worry about
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#920I'm surprised at the number of commenters who think permanent DST is favourable to night owls and bad for morning people. I think it's night owls and delayed-cycle teenagers attending school who will suffer most under permanent DST. In the Winter, permanent DST means everyone has to get up an hour earlier for work or school's clock time, relative to the sun which regulates their body rhythm. Someone pointed out virtu…
Not to go off topic, but everyone seems to just ignore everyone not working 9-5. I mean if you work night-shift, morning shift, evening shift, you already have weird circadian rhythms, and out-of-sync school schedules. And yet, somehow, they seem to function as humans. So maybe that 1 hour difference for 4 months a year won't actually result in the zombie apocalypse. People will adapt just fine.
It’s a statistic. There is a certain (tiny) percentage of people affected. So that’s what is hyped up by the media, and then people think that is almost everybody.