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Post by paulus_magnus2 »

I have never heard a rational and compelling argument for COVID vaccination mandates. To enforce these we need to implement pretty much an MVP of chinese Social Score System.

In the begining we were promised the vaccine will end the pandemic (supposedly downgrading covid as endemic). Vaccination does not prevent infection, does not prevent virus spread but why not make the goal at that? The vaccines are not fully approved yet, there are waivers for compensation if you get a sideeffect so effectively medical insurance treats the vaccine as medical experiment.

As we can see, a nontrivial part of the population refuses to take part in the medical experiment and so far civilised countries respected that, this freedom was guaranteed by human rights, constitutions and other minor laws. To enforce vaccination mandate we need to rollback liberal democracy citizen freedoms back some 500 years and it won't be easy winning them back.

The vaccine we are forcing on people is targetting the original virus from 2019, since then we went through many variants. We are not forcing everyone vaccinates for 2019 seasonal flu. Israel vaccinated everyone 4x and that did not stop the pandemic.

Surely imposing martial law and effectively marking everyone unvaccinated or vaccinated more than 5 months prior as 2nd grade citizen without access to public areas is disproportional reaction to the dangers of Omicron.

Some countries Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, UK? are already treating COVID as endemic, where is the rationale in some countries insisting to rollback liberal democracy with the vaccination mandate??

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Post by gorwell »

makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

This is the real danger of the administrative state. Arresting you requires actual police officers to go out and physically do the act of arresting you.

The bureaucratic state can freeze your bank account, revoke your license, and shut down your life, all remotely.

And now they've set precedent for future protests. I don't know how anyone who considers themselves a liberal or Leftist can support this.

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Post by listenallyall »

monkeydreams wrote: post #899
rmbyrro wrote: post #867

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's worth looking for a common ground that accommodates free speech and sleeping? My personal opinion: your threshold to kill free speech is way, WAY too low.

You think that the onus is on the sleepers rather than the protestors? Why should the sleepers have to put up with endless noise (along with the damage that sleeplessness brings) just so another person can exercise their right to free speech?

Sadly, I doubt you even recognize your small contribution to, and complicity with, the normalization of an Orwellian, dystopian society.

Look at how casually you make these connections: speech -> noise -> sleeplessness -> damage ... therefore implying, purposefully or not, that speech = violence.

No. Speech is NOT violence. I suggest you get a pair of earplugs.

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Post by DoItToMe81 »

BenjiWiebe wrote: post #473
ecf wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Driving is something teenagers are expected to handle. Hell, we trust teenagers behind the wheel of a one ton killing machine before we let them purchase cigarettes or consume alcohol. Something tells me finding replacements wouldn’t be hard to do.

Driving trucks is more difficult. For instance trucks are mostly (all?) unsynchronized manual transmissions. They take skill and experience to operate. It's also more difficult safely braking/turning/accelerating a very heavy load like a loaded trailer as opposed to a passenger vehicle. Some local trucking businesses in my area are training people to drive since there's a shortage of drivers. It takes a while to get…

Long distance trucking is also mentally strenuous. I don't know how many of these people do it over extended distances, but I don't think it's very humane to give teenagers a job where they'll have to shit in plastic bags and take speed to stay awake for days to meet their deadlines.

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Post by cornel_io »

capybara_2020 wrote: post #696
Jackim wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is an exaggerated headline. Accounts being used to fund illegal activities can be frozen. Protesting is not and will not be illegal. Blocking critical infrastructure is illegal.

I am not a north American so I just catch glimpses of what is happening in articles that pop up like this. So I am not taking sides here. Just making an observation about protests in general. With that being said, how do you get noticed? I remember there was a Wall Street protest of some kind right after the crash. They sat quietly in parks and protested because people got annoyed when they were "inconvenienced" when…

Nobody is owed attention - most small protests that stay legal are ignored because nobody gives a damn about the causes. Which is fine, we don't as a society have any obligation to pay attention to every fringe thing if it doesn't rise to the level where the legal system is activated and lawsuits or prosecutions are on the table.

Doing illegal stuff to get attention only makes me less supportive of any cause, personally, whether it's lefty or righty bullshit - I don't like this, I didn't like the Jan 6 riots, and I don't like a lot of what I saw from BLM, Occupy Wall Street, and many others over the years. Even if I agreed with a few of the underlying demands or issues (I'm against vax mandates, I do think Derek Chauvin should be in prison, there was a ton of bank fraud in the 00s and high level people should have been jailed, etc).

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Post by squarefoot »

disambiguation wrote: post #902
squarefoot wrote: post #274

I'm usually all in favor of workers protesting; not this time however. During war time food and resources are rationed; does people complain against the government? Nope. So why during a pandemic that in just two years killed 5 fucking millions people -and counting- should they protest against perfectly sound measures? Am I missing something, or "get vaccinated" doesn't even sound close to "one loaf of bread per day…

"get vaccinated" is to "one loaf of bread" as "honk for freedom" is to "the bolshevik revolution" people get war fatigue all the same. Further an authoritarian regime is perfectly sound as long as they're perfectly behaved. You shouldn't protest against that, agreed?

A lot of countries already have mandatory vaccinations for children since decades, a practice that helped immensely to stop and often eradicate other dangerous diseases, and nobody thought of protesting against them. The difference here is that protests against Covid vaccinations were created and amplified on social media by entities with vested political interests, and painting those measures as authoritarian is also among the techniques used to obtain the above. What's next, removing car license plates because they violate our privacy?

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Post by DoItToMe81 »

Apocryphon wrote: post #75
whdm2000 wrote: post #17

There seems to be a trend in our newly tyrannical governments of using war and terrorism acts on their own citizens. It feels strange being subject tyranny for the first time in my life here in Australia. It is the first time in my life I have felt a government just threaten and bully people to get whatever it wants. There is no going back from this, whoever may win.

Didn't the Howard government enact the Anti-Terrorism Act 2005, which was your lot's equivalent to the PATRIOT Act? And other acts since then [0]. You've been subjected to tyranny all this time, you just weren't paying attention. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/0... https://theconversation.com/before-9-11-australia-had-no-cou...

Yeah. The sedition portions of the laws he passed have been toned down somewhat, but in exchange, we have clauses with many terror-related offences, even down to possessing banned literature, which eschew due process and force the defendant to prove their own innocence and that they had no intention to commit a crime, rather than the courts and police prove that the items are linked to intent to commit terrorism.

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Post by Apocryphon »

DoItToMe81 wrote: post #918
Apocryphon wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't the Howard government enact the Anti-Terrorism Act 2005, which was your lot's equivalent to the PATRIOT Act? And other acts since then [0]. You've been subjected to tyranny all this time, you just weren't paying attention. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/0... https://theconversation.com/before-9-11-australia-had-no-cou...

Yeah. The sedition portions of the laws he passed have been toned down somewhat, but in exchange, we have clauses with many terror-related offences, even down to possessing banned literature, which eschew due process and force the defendant to prove their own innocence and that they had no intention to commit a crime, rather than the courts and police prove that the items are linked to intent to commit terrorism.

Really goes to show that observations of "newly tyrannical governments" are made by those who have had the good fortune to not be of demographics on the receiving end of these draconian laws. Decades of complacency and the weed of crime bitter fruit. Chickens come home to roost.

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Post by known »

tw600040 wrote: post #436

When protests were happening in India this is what Trudeau had to say: "Let me remind you, Canada will always be there to defend the rights of peaceful protesters. We believe in the process of dialogue. We’ve reached out through multiple means to the Indian authorities to highlight our concerns. This is a moment for all of us to pull together,"Justin Trudeau said. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/situation-is-…

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