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Weird. Phase 3 trials usually last year's. This only lasted 6 months. Seems legit...
They usually last years as it takes that long to get enough participants to have enough power. There were so many participants, that wasn't necessary here.
If thalidomide trials had gone on a little longer there wouldnt have been widespread births of deformed babies.
Or Lobotomy trials. So strange that lobotomies won the Nobel prize.
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Yes they are, all sorts of "freedoms" hinge on it now.
I can't work in certain jobs without a security clearance. The government is not forcing me to get a security clearance.
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Those could also be long term side effects of covid . A double digit percentage of people who catch the disease end up in the hospital soon after infection compared to fraction of a fraction of a percent of vaccine recipients in the time after they get the shot. Your priors have to be absolutely outrageous if based on the currently available data you think the risks are even within an order of magnitude.
3.2 per 100,000 is not "a double digit percentage". https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628...
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Yes this is a great point. The primary concerns & warnings are generally around vaccine induced immune escape, which is a realistic consequence of indiscriminate compulsory mass vaccination [1][2][3][4][5][6]. That said, there is general consensus in the literature that the vaccines are mostly safe for adults in the short term. However for certain sub-populations (eg pediatrics and pregnant women) there isn't enough…
Lots of down-votes and no replies tells me this is striking some nerves - anyone care to articulate why you disagree with or do not support these statements?
In fact, trying to do so for most on this forum would probably result in inaccurate views due to misunderstanding the articles and papers.
So people probably downvoted because you have a view on the subject, but no one is qualified to back or oppose it. And we don't know who you are, so how are we supposed to vet your view, or even begin to have a conversation about it?
I didn't downvote (or upvote), but that's my guess.
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> Do you have any specific examples of this?: "weird, Orwellian ways that the government talks about it" "The voluntary phase is over" - Bill de Blasio https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2021/08/03/new-york-c...
For more context of that quote: > The Mayor will also be initiating a “Key to NYC Pass,” which is like the Covid-19 passport talked about a few months ago. It's a carrot-and-stick approach, as people will be required to show that they are vaccinated if they want to go to restaurants, gyms and other events. No vaccinations, no entrance. “If you want to participate in society fully, you’ve got to get vaccinated,” de Bl…
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Do you see how this escalating though? Already concerns are being blithely dismissed, and it only starts as optional and non essential. In Australia you can see the next step already where it’s being applied to grocery stores. You have to start pushing back before it gets to that.
Do you? Why not just forget what the tyrannical government is saying, and do your part to protect the health of yourself and your community?
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> entirely optional events and locations Covid is a disease that overwhelmingly targets the obese. But you can't go to a gym. Do you consider working out an "optional" endeavor? Not only is it essential to beating covid, but, working out keeps people sane. More young people have died from increased alcohol abuse, suicide, and drug overdoses than Covid. This all coincides with the insane push to de-humanize humans. We…
body weight exercises, running, walking, biking, or just getting vaccinated are all options. Beyond that, I agree that mental health services are essential and should be provided at no cost to anyone who needs it, especially when precautions against a pandemic have a negative affect on mental health.
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> Well, what would it take for you to change your mind? For me number one would be: if the CDC starts tracking re-infection rate in the non-vaccinated, and puts that data front and center as key KPIs on all their releases.
What do you expect to see from that data alone? How much immunity and for how long the actual covid infection provides?
Yes, so we can deduce remaining susceptible.
The basic model in a pandemic is SIR. Susceptible, Infected, Recovered. Vaxed is a secondary factor.
We live in crazy land when I have to explain why we should be tracking Susceptible (computable when you know number infected and reinfection rate). (not to pick on you, just speaking about general trends I'm seeing)
Imagine if in computing someone asked, "why should we measure RAM usage?"
It's like, the very very basics.
Without that, you cannot accurately model and forecast the pandemic. And you can see for yourself how poorly the CDC is still modeling this when they said "vax work great! no masks!" and then "shit! vax don't work as great as we said, masks back on!" It's like they are pretending that natural immunity without a vax does not exist. One of the very basics in epi, both theoretically and empirically from mountains of data. It's crazy town, I tell you.
At the individual level you should know this to make the proper conditional decisions. There is scant benefit to be had from the vax if you were infected and recovered naturally (and yes, I've read the Kentucky study, and if that's someone's main argument they're a moron).
People don’t want to take the vaccine because others are trying to force them to. They would say “it’s not FDA approved!” not as the core of their hesitancy, but because they were trying to be appeal to pro-vax peoples decision making framework. I don’t think we should be able to require them to. To many of you here: imagine the Trump admin trying to require you to take the vaccine in November of last year. Cities wo…
>Anybody who has ever lived under an HOA will recognize this. My HOA telling me to take Christmas decorations down in January doesn't really equate to the government trying to keep me and my community alive and out of the hospital. Don't like the HOA covenants? Move. Don't want the vaccine? Stay away from places that will now be allowed to require vaccination.
Like someone else mentioned, I think the core issue is "Should the government have the right to mandate medical procedures?" In my mind, I'm vaccinated, so what does it matter to me if others are not?
Kevin Sorbo's take https://twitter.com/ksorbs/status/1417538663018344448 Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from the virus that they were vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated. I'm really interested a rebuttal to this.
Additionally, some people can't get vaccinated, or vaccines only work more weakly for them.
Also also, pandemics have knock on effects beyond just the people who get sick, in terms of economic impact, as well as societal rules and restrictions, e.g. schools closing down because of too many sick people, medical procedures getting delayed because the ICU is overwhelmed, etc.
No person is an island; even someone who hypothetically somehow had magical superimmunity from the start of the pandemic would still be facing its effects.