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Post by skrtskrt »

makerofthings wrote: post #242
drran wrote: post #229

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5. Do nothing. - Die poor

6. Get a job that pays the bills, write code in your spare time for the joy of writing code, publish code as PD to help others learn. Maybe blog about it. Die happy.

Yeah - I write open source code to learn things that I won't get to or be forced to learn from a day job (currently a data platform in Python) - implementing authn/authz, network programming, creating a small framework.

I enjoy it and I expect it to help me become a more well-rounded and therefore more employable developer.

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Post by goodGood00 »

jgilias wrote: post #163

So you've made something cool and it's time to release it. These seem to be the options at hand: 1. Release under a permissive license (MIT, BSD) and: - Have everyone and their grandma use it. - Die poor 2. Release under a copyleft license (GPL) and: - No company is going to use or contribute to it, unless they can somehow clearly separate it from what they see as their intellectual property. Or just hide it where no…

Human existence is Venn diagrams of desperate efforts for attention.

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Post by jokethrowaway »

orthecreedence wrote: post #760
xen2xen1 wrote: post #759

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The ridiculous treadmill of people saying UBI is going to work despite all evidence to the contrary, apparently a long, long time..

You're right! Let's keep doing what we're doing. It's working great.

I know you're being sarcastic but I disagree.

I think capitalism is fine and we need more of it. We need to get rid of governments and minimise centralisation of power instead. I don't want any more wars, jailing of people committing victimless crimes or people being forced to give up half of their economic output to bureaucrats.

Every service offered by the government should be offered by multiple private companies. People in need should get money through voluntary donations, not through taxes forcefully stolen from people.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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Post by blitblitblit »

t0astbread wrote: post #880
drran wrote: post #229

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5. Do nothing. - Die poor

6. Quit IT, buy a farm - Get crushed by the market - Die poor

At least you don't die poor and hungry. Maybe it's a permaculture farm and you also died knowing you contributed to less carbon emissions and more biodiversity.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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Post by Buttons840 »

perfmode wrote: post #849
yiyus wrote: post #799

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Sorry, but I don't get your point. I think that, independently of the original meaning of the parable (which is not at all what we are discussing here), it indeed is a nice example of having to accept the terms you negotiated without looking at what terms others get. I used the same example to explain why I think this situation is a bit different. But it is just an analogy, nobody is claiming this is the right interp…

the parable serves to introduce the idea of fundamental dignity in contrast to conventional notions of reason and merit. and ought not be taken as youve suggested

People ought and do take whatever they please from the Bible.

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Post by benc666 »

mgsn wrote: post #755
john_moscow wrote: post #675

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That's because you need to understand the difference between a project and a product. If you want your product to succeed, it must target decision-makers with a budget to buy your license, and it must make enough difference to them to justify the costs. Most software libraries aren't products. They target other software developers who are not responsible for allocating funds. Furthermore, if there wasn't a library, m…

You're right, of course. But I am so, so tired of having to "sell" over and over just to have the value of my contributions recognized. And I think gp would agree. The poster, marak, is a founder [0]. They definitely understand product-ization. Yet two weeks ago they suffered an apartment fire and have been struggling to keep a roof over their head [1]. I can definitely understand the kind of bitterness that comes ou…

Surely home insurance is going to make it whole?

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Post by teddyh »

makecheck wrote: post #722

Not limited to software but modern society has a REALLY serious entitlement problem. (To the point where if I see a video on Reddit of someone screaming at a retail employee, it is not even surprising anymore.) I’ve had free and open projects for years, with evidence of thousands of users. Yet I could count on one hand the number of times anyone has bothered to thank me, much less donate. I do occasionally get E-mail…

I agree with your conclusions, but I disagree with your choice of calling it “entitlement”. Software is a non-scarce, non-rivalrous good. Once you create it and give it away, you should have no further expectations.

It’s a little bit like a live performance. Once you’ve performed, you can’t expect anything more coming from what people do based on watching your performance. Your pay, if you want to get paid, must be up front.

I refer to an older comment of mine: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8746130

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Post by eru »

rusk wrote: post #887
eru wrote: post #370

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The GPL is perhaps restrictive than the license you suggested. It's definitely more predictable.

Yes but you are still free to make money off the software, and this is the topic under discussion.

Sorry, I missed a word. I was going to say, the GPL is perhaps less restrictive.

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Post by eru »

tpxl wrote: post #500
ganafagol wrote: post #390

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Exactly. If you feel this is unjust, put a non-commercial clause in you license. And watch everybody avoid your lib. You think you are special? A competing lib will soon show up without that restriction. And that lib will get attention from corporations and they will have thousands of eyes use the lib and test it and beat the hell out of it and fix issues and send them upstream (since maintaining a fork is too much w…

> fix issues and send them upstream Fat chance. An average programmer will replace the library if the current one has issues, not fix the issues in the library. It is rational to do so (assuming a different lib exists, which it does for most libs).

Depends on how deeply the library is integrated into their code, and on what flaws the other alternatives have.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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Post by tubularhells »

dang wrote: post #671
tubularhells wrote: post #515

Anyone arguing how 'this is not the way to do it', 'lol open source Dev what did he expect' or explains how they have been using his software 'but it's not that important' are the Republicans of the development community. Fucking shameful to see people talk like this about folks who do good, open and free work to make things better. Go and look yourself in the mirror and repeate those words. One day your corporate ow…

Hey, can you please not break the HN guidelines like this? They specifically say "Have curious conversation" and "Please don't fulminate". https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html (Edit: It looks like you've been doing a good job of sticking to the guidelines in your other comments and we appreciate that.)

I do try, but this got me furious as someone putting in the work to make free software, and corporate clowns playing devil's advocate for their own peacocking.
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