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Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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...and now Lyft and Uber might be shutting off service in CA this week.

I mean, they won't (because lost revenue). And if they do 10 other major companies will be starting in under a week who are willing to play ball with the gov

they don't have a choice unless they are prepared to make all drivers employees, which they aren't.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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I think you underestimate the density of restaurants and cuisines available. No suburb I have encountered gets close to matching this situation. Suburbs also typically require cars, something I don't own and never want to own. I don't want a backyard either as that just means another thing to maintain against entropy! All of this to say, it depends on what you value :)

Yeah I’m not sure why people don’t get that walking past the climbing gym, a hundred varied restaurants, and a wide assortment of local shops on the way home is different than driving 20 minutes to go eat or go to the gym. My complaint about all these articles is prices have barely changed in NY and SF but they all like to proclaim some huge shift. Every time I check to see if there really are major discounts and I’m…

An $1,000 drop from $4,000/mo to $3,000/mo is a big change. The unfortunate reality, however, is $3,000 is just as unaffordable as $4,000 for many. It's still got a very long way to fall before we see $300/mo bedrooms.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Unpopular opinion - if you can simply move or work while traveling as an IC - you are not an essential worker for your company. The big productivity culling is coming, overhiring was so easy, all seemed justified. Careful of marking yourself as replaceable with remote labor. You might not like just how remote management will go :)

It's an unpopular opinion for a reason. Many people (too many at my current company) believe that effective collaboration requires in-person presence, but they only believe that because they never had to learn any other way. Once they open their minds to the idea of using remote collaboration methods to their fullest extent instead of just using VC as a direct replacement for ephemeral hallway conversations, both they and their companies are usually better off. A lot of remote collaboration involves writing instead of speaking, which can make conversations more inclusive and more searchable later. It can strengthen both focus and accountability. These are good things, but for various reasons some people still resist.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Probably a good time to buy in 6-8 months

I’ve read this elsewhere. Why do you think so?

That's when California's $50B budget shortfall will start to hit. Quality of life will get much worse so demand won't be as high.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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> People are leaving because quality of life has fallen dramatically and the only thing keeping people in SF was their offices. What are these quality of life issues, and how have other cities avoided them?

Here's a short list to get you started: - Homeless issues. Mentally ill people pissing and defecating on the sidewalks in every significant public space. - Vehicle vandalism is extremely common and unchecked by police. - Extremely high income taxes with no perceivable difference in government-provided services. - Property tax law that advantages long-term owners over young people trying to buy at today's inflated pri…

Also pretending to like the Grateful Dead gets pretty annoying after a while

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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What are examples of cities with functioning societies? My backup plan was NYC, but thanks to de Blasio that's now out.

There are 53 US metropolitan areas with > 1M people. They all have something wrong with them, but only SF has it's unique set of problems. So everyone has to figure out what tradeoff works for them. To me the biggest flaw in SF is the institutionalized Nimby-ocracy and the resulting housing and homelessness crisis, which I think poisons most areas of society. Texas seems like it has that side of society figured out.…

Specific to the Nimby-ocracy issues of Texas though, many homes have HOAs, so I'm not convinced that Nimby-ism isn't worse in Texas, there's just more land to spread out over.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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It's all a storm in a tea cup. People leave the city -> rents go down -> new creative people are attracted by the cheap rents -> they create a new vibrancy -> people want to move back. Rinse and repeat.

But it can be a multi-decade cycle. Also I've seen a few creative people that are admitting defeat on (say) Detroit.

One of my friends finally got unpacked after moving to Detroit and is working on his latest album, in his basement studio space that would be unaffordable after paying rent in Oakland.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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I disagree about the mayor. But since I am not SF resident I won’t argue. I hope you enjoy what you are getting

Out of curiosity, if you’re not a SF resident, what are you basing your disagreement on? Do you live in a nearby city that is affected by SF policies?

yes, I live nearby and used to visit SF often. But now my wife is afraid to even drive to Cal Academy of sciences with kids.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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#1 suggestion: Washington, DC. Museums (the Smithsonian museums), bars, restaurants (one of the Michelin cities), proximity to nature (there's a national park that cuts through the middle of the city, there's the National Arboretum, and you're about an hour drive from numerous state parks in Virginia and Maryland) #2 suggestion: Chicago, IL. Museums (check), bars (check), restaurants (also a Michelin city), nature (L…

> a national park that cuts through the middle of the city Come now, you aren't suggesting that the National Mall counts as "proximity to nature" ;-) I've spent some time in all three cities and live in one; none of them really offer the same ease of access to nature as does San Francisco, if you count nature as necessarily including some level of remoteness from the built-up environment.

By that criteria Denver/Boulder, Seattle, Portland, etc. are way superior. Any kind of nature activity (hiking, backpacking, skiing, paragliding, cycling) is better and closer, except surfing perhaps.

With density that I until recently used to consider as an unquestionable positive becoming at least temporarily moot with covid (and frankly becoming permanently soured by the out of control protests - I realized I prefer my density Singapore style, with CCTVs and harsh sentencing), I can see why people would move out. I'd probably be out of Seattle, at the very least to the burbs nearby with the same access to everything and few of the downsides, if it was just me making the decision. Same applies to SF (I've lived in SF and Mountain View before, I'd say it's even more acute in SF, quality of life is just terrible even for someone who loves dense cities - might was well move to peninsula or east bay for better access to nature in essentially the same place).

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