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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Yes. The transition team has floated his name. Another name is David Clarke, who thinks we should outlaw Black Lives Matter. These are all trial balloons, of course. I hope they're just posturing, and that we're going to get people in the vein of John Ashcroft --- wrong (very wrong), but within normal parameters.

Meanwhile, those of us who elected him did so based largely on his policy promises, including immigration. So if he wishes to appease his electorate, this better not be mere posturing, and he absolutely should select Arpaio, a man eminently qualified to preside over the operations of ICE and other DHS functions.

Joe Arpaio mismanaged his office, redirected tens of millions of dollars of funding from detention and infrastructure funds to patronage for his own employees, conducted politically motivated investigations into local political figures (including judges, the mayor, the Arizona AG, and the entire Maricopa County Board of Supervisors) --- much of this corroborated by an open letter from his deputy and second-in-command, who supported Arpaio's immigration positions but resigned in disgust over Arpaio's incompetence and malfeasance. It was also the finding of the US Attorney for Arizona.

Joe Arpaio was forced to pay a local resident $1.6MM for staging an assassination plot against himself.

You don't understand the complaint I'm making. I have a complaint that transcends policy. I disagree strongly with the immigration position Trump has taken. But I expected to disagree with the next administration, which was almost inevitably going to be Republican.

I can live with disagreement.

How can you live with this level of incompetence?

It's like the stupid Trump wall. Do you think I have some great moral problem with a border wall? Why would I? I have compassion for people who have lived in this country all their lives after having brought here as children, and would be upset to see them deported --- pointlessly, to no benefit for the US. But making it harder for people to come here unlawfully? Why would I care?

The problem with the wall isn't that it's immoral. It's that it's fucking idiotic. It's one of the largest land borders in the world, bracketed by two different maritime borders with the same country. It will be ludicrously expensive and solve virtually no problems, including unlawful immigration. It is an utterly incompetent policy solution to the problem it purports to solve, and yet here we go, ready to shovel an avalanche of money into the least useful most expensive public works project conceived of in the last 50 years.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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> I can only imagine he will bow down to both Russian and Chinese demands My worry is the opposite. Trump's style is furious counter attack at the slightest provocation. That's obnoxious when you're a jerk billionaire. It's more serious when you control the deadliest military machine in history.

I still dont see why people refer to Trump as some negotiating savant. Time after time, its been shown that hes notoriously thin skinned and easy to rattle. During the 3rd debate he was not doing terrible until Hillary commented that he's only successful because daddy gave him money. Trump's inherent identity and belief that he was responsible for all of his own success being under attack in a public forum caused him…

Fair enough, he might be a hot head. Hopefully the Russians realize this and also realize we vastly outspend them, militarily.

I didn't vote for either of the two majority candidates but I'm excited to see what will happen. His first 100 days plan is all over the board, nothing has been seen like this before with such drastic changes. I don't know what the outcome will be if he does implement them all.

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> they may see everything else as somewhat irrelevant Yep. But this is what made everyone miss what was happening. It was an emotional response. But in this case Clinton provided so many analogous examples, which were ignored, which is just plain bias. As bad as someone is you always have to ask: could the same be said as my candidate? And with Hillary is was a yes on everything. It was always a question of "How coul…

I agree that Hillary is corrupt. Trump is also going to be corrupt, and is already corrupt. I'm not sure what you gained here.

> Trump is also going to be corrupt.

Why?

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I'm probably more on the "SJW" side of things than a lot of people, what questions do you have?

Do you think the response by Joyent was appropriate: http://www.dailydot.com/news/github-gendered-pronoun-debate/ Do you think this was appropriate and fair to the accused: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattress_Performance_(Carry_Th... Do you think the BLM riots were justified over this: http://nyti.ms/2ctkwYZ Do you think police shoot more black people than white people? Do you think SJWs consider the potential sid…

Thanks for replying! I was actually hoping that you would ask some more general questions, because I would consider these examples edge-cases, and for me to talk in any useful way about them I would have to do a lot of research (the first link alone has a LOT of background). But briefly: I thought Joyent was being melodramatic, even if I consider Noordhuis' reactions to be a bit petty. Its always convenient to consider a change trivial when it only has benificial effects for others.

I don't know if black people are shot more than white people, the thing that most people care about is that the police seems to be a lot more agressive when it comes to black people, even when unwaranted.

Lots of "SJWs" think about side effects, the reason that the conversations that they are having on twitter and reddit aren't more nuanced/allowing for "but"s etc. is that you are fighting an uphill battle with that kind of stuff on the internet. People like to pretend that the world has been taken over by PC-culture but the large majority on the internet still firmly hates Sjw's. This means that they don't really consider the internet a place for "policy"-discussion, but at best as a tool to spread the message.

(Ps, none of this may have been worded very clearly or convincingly, English isn't my first language)

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Trump was going to win the election.

For what reason? Because 26% of voters felt bullied? How about the 42% that stayed home and didn't vote?

So next time you will just pick a candidate who can get out the vote and win?

Ok let's try that in 4 years :) I'm happy if you do.

This righteousness will cause you to lose another election.

You don't want to admit that Trump won, only that Clinton lost.

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> they may see everything else as somewhat irrelevant Yep. But this is what made everyone miss what was happening. It was an emotional response. But in this case Clinton provided so many analogous examples, which were ignored, which is just plain bias. As bad as someone is you always have to ask: could the same be said as my candidate? And with Hillary is was a yes on everything. It was always a question of "How coul…

I'm having trouble with this implied connection of corruption and feminists, 'sjws', etc. Another issue: are you agreeing with _anything_ feminists are saying?

> are you agreeing with _anything_ feminists are saying?

Nope. Women are well respected in society and now have more opportunities than men. There are many successful women, and women don't need a message from men saying that the system is rigged against them and they will not make it if they try.

When there are as many women taking computer science at university, and seeking work in the computer science industry, and the numbers don't reflect that, then its something we need to look at.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Hi prairiedogg, Well this thread is basically nitpicking each other. Let me tell you one thing. If you are a citizen of USA, you could run for president and be one as long as you are win a majority in a majority of states. Now, if you are interested in politics you, like me, would be following political decisions from a variety of sources and try to analyze it(see if its truth and try to understand if its fair to the…

Hi rubberstamp! I disagree that this thread is "just nitpicking each other" - I think it's been both educational and civil. For instance, when masondixon learned that Reagan had a political career before his presidency, masondixon thanked dbmikus for pointing it out. It's hard to find that level of candor on an internet discussion board - and masondixon seemed to want a genuine dialog that was free of the ad-hominem…

> It's hard to find that level of candor on an internet discussion board

:'( It honestly makes me emotional to hear this as I realise how rare a dialog like this really is.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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> Same sex marriage Trump: The Supreme Court has issued an opinion on this. Same-sex marriage is an issue that should have been decided by the states. There are many LGBT supporters of Trump. Milo Yiannopolous is a hero amongst all Trump supporters, and he is gay. The world has moved on - Democrats just want something to be angry about. > Freedom of religion It is about terrorism and not about religion. > He would "s…

"We are called racist, but no one is racist. We are called xenophobic, but all we are asking for is that the laws are upheld." I can't comment for the States as I live in Europe... but 99% of the big vocal trump supporters at this side of the ocean are racist and xenophobic like there is no tomorrow. In this country the only political trump supporters are the ones that has historic ties with the nazi's. That the most…

> but 99% of the big vocal trump supporters at this side of the ocean are racist and xenophobic like there is no tomorrow.

Are you sure about this. I mean I don't know. But anyone you ask it always goes: "These people are scary and are Nazis".

When I listen to Nigel Farage - I'm like - it seems reasonable - but then someone is like "let me educate you...blah blah blah".

If someone is saying someone is a Nazi, then you back the fuck away from what ever you were just thinking.

There will always be some of the crazies like this. But on both sides. I mean there will be full communists on the left. But the white-supremist kind of crazies are definitely the worst.

I think these topics are too taboo that no one goes near them. And again I would say that this election was decided in the no-mans-land of race and religious relations that no moderate dare touch for fear of being labelled a racist for going anywhere near it.

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"We are called racist, but no one is racist. We are called xenophobic, but all we are asking for is that the laws are upheld." I can't comment for the States as I live in Europe... but 99% of the big vocal trump supporters at this side of the ocean are racist and xenophobic like there is no tomorrow. In this country the only political trump supporters are the ones that has historic ties with the nazi's. That the most…

I live in "Europe" as well, and don't see that "99%" > In this country the only political trump supporters are the ones that has historic ties with the nazi's That all racists support trump is not the same as all trump supporters are racists. Can you provide more evidence that "the only political trump supporters" are racist? It's not "telling" if it not true. > that is fact ...

> that is fact

Compelling argument :P

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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So you think it's ok to say everything Trump said during his campaign, and NOT be called out for it because... it's wrong to call people names?

Call him out, but keep listening. Those names are used to justify shutting down the discussion.

Great point.

Racist and misogynist are very heavy terms, and once they are in the mix, there is no way a moderate is going to go near the discussion. It is like "you are racist, racists shouldn't be listened to, I will not listen to you".

There have been so many comments like this in this thread - even when the original comment is pointing this out. Sigh.

Its so great to learn something I did not think of during a discussion like this. Its exactly what its for.

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