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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by striking »

bmh_ca wrote: post #900
striking wrote: post #801

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> The argument that white people are being discriminated against based on a formula that rectifies past wrongs and undoes future ones belies a misunderstanding of the purpose, benefit, and impact. That's perfectly absurd. Discrimination is discrimination is discrimination. How do we measure wrongs? How do we "undo future wrongs"? I can't. Totally cannot. 100% can't deal with your argument.

> I can't. Totally cannot. 100% can't deal with your argument. I find it telling that you think it is my argument. What I wrote is neither mine nor an argument. It is a description of a theory. > Discrimination is discrimination is discrimination. Not all discriminations are equal. To argue that all discrimination is discrimination is to give equivalence to police murdering for traffic violations and being denied the…

I didn't think that first quote was your argument, I just thought it was the dumbest thing you said. I think it's silly that you believe that past wrongs can be rectified and that future wrongs are definitely going to happen, and that that invalidates the argument you presented about discrimination against white people not existing. Theory or argument, that's pedantry.

> Not all discriminations are equal.

Never said that.

I was implying that anything that was discrimination was wrong. Are you arguing the opposite?

> We can measure the effect [etc] and the impact [etc] and it can ascribed monetary value [etc]. No formula will be ideal in all cases, but that is not an excusable barrier. [emphasis mine]

You'll have to inform me then why there's debate on the ballpark percentage of the wage gap or even that it exists in general, just as an example. (not arguing for or against, but that there is a debate) And it is perfectly excusable for someone not to take action, or not to execute a very big action, if it is not the correct action, unless you think justice is necessarily coexistent with wrongful imprisonment.

And how do you pick who gets affirmative action anyway? I'm a Polish immigrant. My ancestors have been fucked 5 ways from Tuesday by just about every major happening in Europe. It was still 1989 when communism fell (only 27 years ago), and it left desolation and despair in its wake. Coming to the US, my parents and I had just about nothing.

And better yet, I'm not going to claim I deserve something. Because the world dealt me and everyone a shitty hand and the best I can do is play it, no matter the odds. Even if someone got a better hand than I did.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by jobvandervoort »

morgante wrote: post #835
sytse wrote: post #692

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Anything we can improve in GitLab to make getting shit done easier?

Focus on minimizing the friction to doing the most common tasks. Ex. by far the most common thing I'm doing when going to a repo is looking up a file and doing something with it. So why isn't a file list the first thing which comes up when I open a repo? Also, generally work on visual hierarchy more. GitHub does a great job of this and it makes the UI both efficient and pleasant. For example, you show the latest comm…

Thanks for the feedback!

> Ex. by far the most common thing I'm doing when going to a repo is looking up a file and doing something with it. So why isn't a file list the first thing which comes up when I open a repo?

You can set this as default in your profile at /profile/preferences! Note that with GitLab 8.4 we now also have the quick-files finder which you can open from any page in a project by typing `t`[0].

We're working hard on improving the UI and UX and improving visual hierarchy and especially providing context to the current view is very high on our list. I hope the many changes in the last and upcoming releases will help, but any more specific feedback is very welcome.

[0]: https://about.gitlab.com/2016/01/22/gitlab-8-4-released/

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by jobvandervoort »

sytse wrote: post #735
merlinsbrain wrote: post #716

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I'm in the process of moving all my stuff to gitlab.com. There's a lot of stuff going on in the sidebar and it took a while for me to figure out where things were. The mobile experience was also not amazing . If you would like to take this conversation offline, I'd be happy to. I like Gitlab so far, although I'm only 5% in to my "migration" process.

The mobile views for sure needs some work, we're hiring frontend engineers https://about.gitlab.com/jobs/ and on Friday we hired a second person. If you need any help please email support@gitlab.com and reference this comment. But commenting online is encouraged, all of our issues are public.

In fact, GitLab 8.5, due the 22nd of this month, will heavily improve many views for mobile. This has been something we've been holding off on and we'll be slowing working more and more on it, as our UI matures.

GitLab 8.5 will have responsive views for most pages, but their functionality will be slightly limited compared to a full-browser, as we chose to hide certain elements (rather than a separate mobile view).

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by jobvandervoort »

morgante wrote: post #124

Serious question: why can't someone make a good Github replacement that is anywhere near feature parity? I've tried both Bitbucket and GitLab, but their UIs continue to be leagues behind Github. It takes twice as long to do something in them (ex. find and blame a file) than it does with Github. If they could just get the UI right, I'd migrate in a second. Hosting providers should enforce political opinions (beyond de…

> ex. find and blame a file

If you're in a project in GitLab 8.4, simply press `t` to bring up the fuzzy file finder. On a file, simply press 'Blame'.

Let me know if we could speed this or any other action up further.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by proc0 »

greenrd wrote: post #896
proc0 wrote: post #848

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That's not the argument, granted it's very subtle and hard to see. The argument is "race as used in the U.S. is a social construct that is incorrectly correlated with some physical traits. So lets avoid bringing up someone's race when trying to explain their behavior and/or intentions." Just because someone has dark skin doesn't automatically mean they are "black" because black is more of a cultural thing than a race…

> Just because someone has dark skin doesn't automatically mean they are "black" because black is more of a cultural thing than a race. What are you trying to say? That sounds incredibly racist. Are you trying to say that someone who has dark skin but "acts white" is not black??

Look beyond the labels. Yes, sometimes a white person that grew up among black people is more black than a black person who grew up with only white people. Think about half-white, half-black people, why aren't people talking about mixed race people? Why do mixed race people often choose what side to identify with? Because "black" and "white" is just sub-cultures within American culture. Yes there is a correlation with physical trait, but this correlation is misleading and was started by our ignorant ancestors that lived in a world that is completely different from today.

Dark skin alone doesn't make you black, and I know I'm right because there are plenty of dark skinned foreigners that complain they get lumped in with black people when they're actually Arabs or something else. This is even worse for white people. Italians and Russians are in the same category, and that really makes no sense. Skin color should just be forgotten altogether.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by xtracto »

taneq wrote: post #775
archagon wrote: post #612

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I don't understand how people can seriously claim that these are "current dominant themes". I studied at UC Berkeley, one of the liberal capitals of California. Most of my friends are Berkeley students. Most of my friends are feminists . There's practically no hostility (as you put it) towards white, heterosexual males in these circles. I have never been personally attacked or felt uncomfortable. Most of the discussi…

> Most of my friends are feminists . > There's practically no hostility There are many people who identify as feminists who are fair, rational, and genuinely want equal opportunities for all. There are many other people who identify as feminists who are militantly against anything but total female domination. The word is used by so many different groups with different ideologies in different contexts that it's become…

Just a couple of weeks ago I was reading about "PIV is Rape". I had never heard of it before but wow it blew my mind of how different and extremist can some people's view be.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by headhuntermdk »

jmorphy88 wrote: post #874
alistproducer2 wrote: post #791

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You don't believe any actions should be taken to try and unwind the lingering effects of chattel slavery and jim crow?

Nope. Plenty already has been done, and why do other non-white groups get special status too? Like I said, it's all about shaking down whitey.

Right. Fucking. There. Let me guess, you are a white male tired of people bringing up diversity? Or maybe you have forgotten about the special status given to minorities that brings us to todays topic? If enough was done, we wouldn't be having this conversation. As if "whitey" hasn't been shaking down different groups over the years.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by xtracto »

acidburnNSA wrote: post #293
obelisk_ wrote: post #232

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Well, what are the alternatives? Hosted: Bitbucket, GitLab Self-hosted: GitLab, Gogs None of these come close to GitHub in my experience.

We've been using self-hosted Phabricator at work for building nuclear reactor design software and it has been pretty darn amazing. It's quite easy to get going and has been very low-maintenance. http://phabricator.org/

We have also been using Phabricator for the last year in the FinTech startup were I direct the technical team. Phabricator is really awesome in general and has been a live saver.

We started using it due to the Arcanist pre-commit hooks. We now use it for issue tracking and may be soon migrating our "scrum" functionality from JIRA to Ph.

The only downside I see is that it is not very well documented... in fact I will say it is all the opposite. But still, the fact that we use it happily shows how good it is!

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by WhyDoiPostHere »

azth wrote: post #693
WhyDoiPostHere wrote: post #663

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Meh, I think we need to fork github. Gitlab supports the same nonsense github does.

Do you have any sources? I'm genuinely curious.

https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq/blob/master/CONTRIBUTIN...

https://about.gitlab.com/2016/02/02/gitlab-diversity-sponsor...

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by WhyDoiPostHere »

greenrd wrote: post #906
WhyDoiPostHere wrote: post #663

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Meh, I think we need to fork github. Gitlab supports the same nonsense github does.

What nonsense are you blathering? Github isn't open source so you can't fork it. Meanwhile there are lots of other GitHub-a-likes out there - Gitlab is only one of them. So if you don't like Gitlab either, there are other choices.

Agreed. I just found gitgud.io. It looks like gamergate beat me to the whole forking thing. I'll be giving that a try.
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