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Facebook is the ad network for Facebook. Will not fetching ads from Facebook really stop Facebook from knowing your age and location?
You have a small understanding as to how ads work and what they know.
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> Something is seriously broken with computers and we can't seem to face it. It's not computers that are the problem, it's people. We've normalized (and even embraced) the situation where relationship between businesses and customers is adversarial. The phenomenon you're describing, known as "banner blindness", is just brain filtering out noise, but the thing is, that noise didn't get there by accident. What I can't…
> What I can't wrap my head around is, businesses are run by people, and all these entrepreneurs are making explicit decisions to abuse their fellow human beings to smaller or greater degree, and everyone seems fine with it. This is a simplistic way to think about it. Even the most altruistic physician needs to advertise their services if they hope to make a living out of it. Even the best film maker, the best actor…
The physicians doesn't need to shove ads in front of people's faces in order for people in need of a physician to find him.
> "Make and they'll come" is only possible if you're already successful.
That's just because your competitors are already shoving ads in front of your potential customer's faces. If they weren't allowed to do that you would be fine without doing it as well. It's the definition of a zero sum game.
Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook
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> Something is seriously broken with computers and we can't seem to face it. It's not computers that are the problem, it's people. We've normalized (and even embraced) the situation where relationship between businesses and customers is adversarial. The phenomenon you're describing, known as "banner blindness", is just brain filtering out noise, but the thing is, that noise didn't get there by accident. What I can't…
The relationship was always adversarial for all history. Bakers used to mix sawdust with flour to profit more. The only counter has been regulation and oversight.
Bad actors have always existed but that doesn't mean that the proportion of bad actors and the effects they can have hasn't changed. "normalized" is the key world in gp's comment here - many people can't seem to even imagine a world without ads from the comments this subject gets whenever it comes up.
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I think my brain developed that as a defense mechanism. The web cultivated a certain kind of blindness where I literally don't look at certain parts of pages because my brain has learned that there is never anything useful there. Sometimes I just cannot see things unless I force my eyes to move across the page linearly, top to bottom. This is pathological. Like I find myself not ever looking at the top result in a se…
> I think my brain developed that as a defense mechanism. The web cultivated a certain kind of blindness where I literally don't look at certain parts of pages because my brain has learned that there is never anything useful there. I’ve fallen victim to this when I was doing coursework in the last decade. Either a moodle module or a block of text in box in a textbook had something important to the concept I was learn…
Something to ad to the long list of "real costs of ad-supported content and services".
Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook
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> what about Reddit, Facebook, Amazon, Google Just quit them. They're all garbage anyway.
I kinda want my phone to keep working and stuff. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26390833
Then get a refund and use that money to buy one that doesn't depend on the good graces of a megacorporation to keep working.
Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook
#906Eventually, this arms race ends with a computer vision model that looks at the screen, classifies visual elements as ads, and draws a rectangle over anything that looks like an ad. I am significantly less tolerant of ads than average people seem to be. (I think average people are making a horrible mistake about this, and are badly cognitively damaged by ads in ways they don't realize). If my choices are to look at ad…
This arms race ends with regulations preventing big tech practices that are nocive for human beings: - no disguised ads. They must be clearly marked -limit screen real state dedicated to ads - what the user didn't explicitly asked for, is an ad We can't wait for companies to "do no evil". What would you ad to the list?
- Every ad-supported service must also be provided ad-free at a price no higher than the ad revenue would be.
Ad enthusiasts are always quick to defend how useful ads actually are so let them put their money where their mouth is and have the market decide.
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You say "was" as if it was a thing of the past. But public broadcasting still exists in many countries in Europe, including radio and TV. They have either less or no ads and their quality is much higher than that of purely ad-funded private stations that nowadays are sometimes even completely automated.
> their quality is much higher Hard disagree. At least commercial entertainment providers have to work to retain their customers, unlike public broadcasters where they get funded (either via taxes or forced licenses) no matter how many people dislike them.
It sounds like you are speaking from a theoretical perspective. In practice, there is not enough money in radio ads to put any effort in producing material of decent quality. As an objective metric, I found in Germany that the private stations literally broadcast at half the bitrate of the public stations where I tested it.
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I'm hoping we can mostly ban ads in my lifetime (on the basis that companies should not be allowed to freely try to manipulate unconsenting strangers. and that it makes the world suck to live in and we don't have to put up with that). Nothing would make me happier honestly.
This would also mean a lot of currently "free" services becoming paid in some other fashion, which I think people would be equally up-in-arms about. I'm no fan of ads and I am willing to pay for services I use to avoid seeing them - but I've learned over recent years that most people simply do not agree with that premise.
But it will also mean that some actually free services that weren't able to compete with ad-supported ones because they don't have the marketing budget will be able to take over. I expect that to actually be the more common outcome for services that matter.
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Maybe reverse tactics and block/hide anything that isn't something you want to see.
In a few years, I don't think we'll be navigating to Facebook.com. We'll be asking our LLM: "what are my friends up to?" And it will provide a nice UI to browse interesting updates, collated from any open source, including Facebook. No ads, no influencers, no dark patterns, just what the user asks. And it won't require APIs. It will just browse the site itself as an agent and pick out the parts the user cares about.…
> No ads, no influencers, no dark patterns, just what the user asks.
For a while now, I've seen blogposts from marketers desperate to do to AI what SEO did to search engines.
I hope they fail to enshitify the LLM experience the way they enshitified search, but I wouldn't count on it in the absence of AI messing with production so hard that nobody even wants to market stuff in the first place.