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China’s open-weights AI strategy is winning
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#902Weight sharing will commoditize the capabilities of AI technology. Once the intelligence that was developed can be freely executed anywhere, the actual strength then lies in the data, the domain-specific UX, and the efficiency of the infrastructure.
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Remember, these cars are running local LLMs, not frontier models. The issue with self-driving cars has been the edge cases. The 0.0001% of situations where the models did not have sufficient training data. This is compounded by the hardware limitations. Onboard RAM in a typical Tesla on the road is 16GB (+16GB for the backup computer). This has to run the existing onboard OS and other operations plus the LLM. These t…
> so far has saved my butt (and my wife's) several times from obstacles and emergencies we would not have seen. Honestly, you need to reflect on your driving habits. FSD has only been usable for two or three years maybe? And you already encountered MULTIPLE situations requiring active safety intervention to save you during this time? You cannot rely on the extra safety it provides. A driver with basic competence shou…
All of the scenarios involve circumstances we could not control. For example, someone pushing into our lane on the motorway in the blind spot, requiring evasive manoeuvre to avoid. It's possible Danish drivers are careless or aggressive, but I think it's more likely you just don't realise how many close calls and evasive manoeuvres you need to perform on an annual basis with average driving kilometers and regular defensive driving.
> You cannot rely on the extra safety it provides. A driver with basic competence should be able to avoid most risks through anticipation before they happen.
It's too late. These safety features are saving lives all over the world, every day. As per the Danish and Dutch regulators, FSD is already safer than the average driver. I would prefer that all the drivers on the road are using this technology than manually controlling their cars. People make all kinds of mistakes which FSD does not.
Re: China’s open-weights AI strategy is winning
#904What a lot of people seem to miss is that you don't need the openweight models to "beat" frontier models for most agentic workloads. The harness should be doing the majority of the work, inference becomes the value add. This is where chinese models shine, i have run benchmarks where the value per dollar is always tilted to the chinese models
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Another important thing that made software usage and education available for most of the world was piracy. I remember as a kid growing up in a developing country, any software (windows, office, Visual Basic, flash, dreamweaver, etc.) was less than 1$. That allowed me to try out and learn so many things on my own without paying a huge amount of money for the license. And I think this is true for most of the software d…
> windows, office, Visual Basic This is all (Microsoft) junk and so I wonder if you actually benefitted from this 'piracy'. And of course, it's well known that MS turned a blind eye to such 'piracy' in lesser developed countries, as they knew that they were gaining a future paying customer base.
I’m talking about late 90s/ early 2000s. Back then Microsoft was the state of the art when it comes to PCs. I remember using MS Frontpage to build websites back then and VBasic to build simple programs with UI and using MS Acess as a database. Of course I did benefit from it.
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#907Open source AI will be made illegal at some point. I cannot imagine the US letting Fable-access to every "enemy" they have (or made at some point).
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> androids and iphones are approximately the same thing Yet... Android holds 70.6% of global active devices to iOS at 28.7%, but iOS captures 64.2% of consumer app spend. [1] > and the training is set up democratically and through universities and via multi-state funding Possible, certainly. But this case also applies to China and its "open-weights" strategy. They won't be able to form companies either or get ahead.…
"Things on my phone cost more, so its clearly a better phone." Based on the above stat, it sure seems like Androids more versatile and inexpensive for a much larger group of users. Hmm...that sounds familiar....
Sure, but at the end of the day, Apple makes a lot more money not just on device sales but app sales too even though Android phones are allegedly more versatile and inexpensive.
You can talk about open-source and cheap Chinese models all you want, but at the end of the day if American companies are making all the money that's kind of all that matters. That will feed into development and maintaining an edge.
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This argument boils down to X is good, therefore more of X is good. But you can see how that breaks down with even trivial examples. Not a great argument. The second piece of this "a moral good is based on doing good outside of your own benefit" - says who? Why? This logic is also faulty. You're also cargo-cutting self-interest in here as a moral failure when many good things depend on humans acting in their own self…
Thanks for the discussion. >This argument boils down to X is good, therefore more of X is good. No, I only argued that it was a moral good, the kind of good. I actually may disagree with others about whether you should pursue a good just because it’s good. >says who? Why? Good question, it’s just a common framing that I see in classical discussions. I didn’t intend for it to be exclusive, I think there’s moral good o…
That's fair, I don't really take a large issue with anything you wrote here. My general point was to shake loose some dogmatic apples hanging on to their naive and unsubstantiated beliefs that open-source must be some moral good and closed-source must be some moral bad. Both can be good or bad.
Thanks
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> I don’t think the general-purpose LLM as a standalone tool is long for this world, at least not in consumer-facing applications. I use AI chat every day, I find it endlessly useful. It’s replaced google search.
> I use AI chat every day, I find it endlessly useful. It’s replaced google search. Extremely subsidized agentic search is very superior to Google at the moment, and of course it is. Google is a public company. The AI summary model has to work instantly, is likely as dumb as a 8T param model, and gives you incorrect details constantly. This sucks so much for Google. If you click on "AI Mode," suddenly the facts becom…
Just realized my typo, hopefully it was obvious that I meant 8B param, not 8T.