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Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by hvb2 »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #252
hvb2 wrote: post #225

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Sure, but asking someone something that should be easily answered in a few seconds is also rude. Programming is an intense job, in that it takes a lot of focus and time to build up a mental model of what you're working on to make progress

I highly doubt you never ask questions that you could’ve looked up yourself. “Go Google it” translates to “this isn’t worth my time,” which is a pretty rude way to be.

What I'm trying to say is that the cost of answering the question might look like 30 seconds to the person asking.

What really happened is, you context switch, answer a mundane question, and now spend 30 minutes to get back to the mental state that you were in that made you productive

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by triceratops »

embedding-shape wrote: post #693
triceratops wrote: post #655

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> even if many of them know English, they'll just refuse to speak English How they keep their English speaking "in shape" then?

Who knows, I guess music, film, TV and video games, like most of us who learned English outside of English-native speaking countries. School classes helps for sure, but I'd wager most people who speak good English learned it from multimedia one way or another.

I can't comprehend learning a foreign language and then refusing to speak it when needed. Being shy about it? Sure. Deliberate refusal is absurd.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by mschuster91 »

jimbokun wrote: post #550
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #427

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The problem is that most of the people in my circle who are returning AI answers to emails and chat messages do not understand enough about the topic to know whether a question is interesting or not, which parts of the response are interesting, and which parts apply. They seem to think they've more or less solved the problem by posting an LLM's response to the issue or concern I've raised.

I’m just wondering how those people don’t understand they are strongly signaling their job can be fully done by an LLM.

A lot of jobs don't need a human for anything from 80-99% of their work tasks and can be replaced by an LLM or other form of AI/ML. As an employer, you hire the human for the 1-20% where you actually need the experience - to quote the punchline of an old but gold joke [1]:

> The revised bill arrived: $1.00 for turning the screw; $9,999.00 for knowing which screw to turn.

In many a company, the "old neckbeards" and "dead weight" are the first ones to be cut or eventually be driven off by ever more outright bullshit - and often enough, it is only realized way too late that important "institutional knowledge" is gone [2].

[1] https://calvincorreli.com/blog/1397-knowing-which-screw-to-t...

[2] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-35821782

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by fennecbutt »

torben-friis wrote: post #60

>But even when I talk to people, they forward my questions to AI and send me the AI’s answer. This is the killer issue. It's so profoundly saddenning, it feels like watching an adult being asked a question and calling mom to answer for them. There is something deeply disturbing in it that makes me feel I'm not talking to a self sufficient entity.

Pro tip: people did this long before AI was a thing.

People have always loved to defer to a "leader" or (supposed) "expert". Take the hard decisions away daddy.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by sergeym »

fullstop wrote: post #530
frank_nitti wrote: post #289

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This also happened in the LA area back around 2015, lasting about 36-48 hours - no power and consequently no internet. Out in suburbia, it was the first time many neighbors even met each other, or the first time some neighbors had spoken in person in years. Standing in our driveways chatting, lending tools or supplies to one another, what used to be very standard suburban life. It was amazing that we had become so di…

I'm going to start off by saying that I know all of my immediate neighbors. More importantly, I know pretty much all of the neighborhood dogs since I walk a lot, and dogs have to be walked. I don't have a dog, but I sometimes carry dog treats on me for when we cross paths. There are plenty of people who never leave their house, and I have no idea what they do all day. A few years ago a very small, yet very strong, th…

Same with kids, kids especially teenagers are always home and I only see them when they board the school bus, it is pretty sad actually.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

sumanthvepa wrote: post #456
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #427

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The problem is that most of the people in my circle who are returning AI answers to emails and chat messages do not understand enough about the topic to know whether a question is interesting or not, which parts of the response are interesting, and which parts apply. They seem to think they've more or less solved the problem by posting an LLM's response to the issue or concern I've raised.

But why would ask these people about topics they don't understand? Or they sending you unsolicited responses?

It's usually an email chain that they're CC'ed on, or for which they're the point of contact: Sales, project management, or (worst) a VP getting pinged by a customer who wants to jump to the front of the line: "Our new X keeps showing a message that says the brobillator needs to be froodicated, and worse it now runs at 1/4 speed, but we don't want to froodicate it already because that's expensive and our maintenance guys are busy. Can you change the interval from monthly to annually? This is a critical issue that might impact our budget to purchase 3 more X units in Q3."

The right way to solve this is for the PM to forward it to the ME who designed the brobillator and calculated the 1-month maintenance interval, CCing the controls engineer who helped ensure that machine wouldn't eat itself with the fault and low-speed mode.

The wrong way to solve this is for the PM to forward it to ChatGTP[sic], which might mindlessly suggests maintenance-free sealed bearings (that are totally inadequate for the temperatures and contaminants). If he asks the mechanical engineer to redesign it like ChatGTP suggested, that situation may be salvageable. If he told the customer that they'd have an engineer out in 3 days with new sealed bearings it's bad.

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Post by ertgbnm »

program_whiz wrote: post #894
ertgbnm wrote: post #510

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Sending an AI response to a question that someone asks you is insulting because it's a bit like sending them a link to letmegooglethat where it just animates typing the question you have into google. I think it's only appropriate when you are trying to insult the asker. Like if an employee asks a really dumb question that indicates that they didn't even bother googling the question or asking AI first, then sending th…

honestly a sad state. Obviously there is a reasonable threshold, but trying not to speak to anyone until you've done a ton of work / research when they know the answer is just sad. Like what's wrong with asking a question? We've entered this anti-human hellscape where asking a question in slack (async) is somehow a crime, like posting an opinion without a double-blind study to back it up (burn him!). And the same peo…

My threshold for asking for help might be a little higher than the median, but, I like this operating style personally. Maybe it's just how I was raised, but the thought of not trying to figure something out for myself first is unthinkable. I fill like I get plenty of human connection at work and collaborate with peers and other disciplines plenty.

I'm not in tech, I'm in civil engineering so maybe it's just a difference in the types of problems we have in different industries.

I do find it very frustrating when an EIT asks me how to do something and it's clear that they haven't even read the instructions page to the excel sheet that they literally have open. I have time to mentor peers and subordinates but I want them to treat my time with the same respect that they treat their own.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by jackdoe »

Things are so much worse than you think.

Many real people talk like AI now.

I notice it more and more every day.

Sometimes I can notice it in my speech pattern as well. And worse of all, my thinking. It is like I am reading the same book over and over again.

Now I actually have old sci-fi (mona lisa) between me and the keyboard, while claude is writing, I am reading. And I avoid reading its output as much as I can.

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