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Same can be said of many humans.

Say what you will about humans, but they are absolutely capable of working autonomously. That’s what jobs are.

Uh uh. Thats why there are no jobs called “supervisor” or “manager” right?

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> OpenAI is worth many multiples of that. How?

Because they recently issued shares at a price many multiples of that, and people bought them. How else would you define financial worth?

Does speculation equal worth?

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What geekbench 5 fps are you talking about? Geekbench only has OpenCL and Vulkan scores for the 3090 as far as I can tell, and the M1 Ultra is less than half the OpenCL score of the 3090. And the M1 Ultra was significantly more expensive. Find or link these workloads you think exist, please > The M1 was (well, is) a marvel and absolutely smokes a 3090 in perf per watt. The GTX 1660 also smokes the 3090 in perf per wa…

Here you go[0]. 'Aztek Ruins offscreen'. Although I misremembered the exact FPS, the 3090 is at 506 FPS. Also note how the M1 Ultra is pushing 2/3 of the FPS of the 3090 despite 1/3 of the power budget and the game itself being poorly optimized for the M-series architecture. And here[1] you have it smoking an Intel i9 12900K + RTX 3900. The difference doesn't look too impressive until you realize the power envelope f…

> Here you go[0]. 'Aztek Ruins offscreen'. Although I misremembered the exact FPS, the 3090 is at 506 FPS.

Oh, GFXBench not geekbench.

Realistically that 506 fps result is probably CPU bottlenecked, not that aztec ruins is all that relevant. It's a very old benchmark, released in 2018, that was destroyed for mobile GPUs, so realistically is using a 2010-ish GPU feature set.

If that's your use case, great. But it's not significant at all.

> And here[1] you have it smoking an Intel i9 12900K + RTX 3900.

Not using the GPU, so irrelevant. Also not using 700-800w

> Also, the GTX 1660 (technically an RTX 2000 series, but whatever) is about 26% less efficient than an 3090[2].

"bestvaluegpu" I've never heard of but holy AI slop nonsense batman. Taking 3dmark score and dividing it by TDP is easily one of the worst ways to compare possible.

Here's actual perf/watt results taken by, you know, actually measuring the power draw https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-3090-gami...

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> OpenAI can now jointly develop some products with third parties. API products developed with third parties will be exclusive to Azure. Non-API products may be served on any cloud provider. This seems impossible.

I think they updated the article since you grabbed this line. Amazon CEO says that these models are coming to Bedrock though: https://x.com/ajassy/status/2048806022253609115

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Re: Microsoft and OpenAI end their exclusive and revenue-sharing deal

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Google is in a different position to others in that they're the only frontier lab with a cloud infra business. It obviously makes sense to sell GPUs on cloud infra as people want to rent them. In that respect Google buys a ton of GPUs to rent out. What's unclear to me is how much Google uses GPUs for their own stuff. Yes Gemini runs on GPUs now, so that Google can sell Gemini on-prem boxes (recent release announced l…

> Gemini on-prem boxes (recent release announced last week) Do you have any more information on this? I only found this article about it: https://venturebeat.com/technology/googles-gemini-can-now-ru... It mentions that Gemini can run on eight NVIDIA GPUs, but not which GPU and which Gemini model. Either way, this puts an upper bound of 288 * 8 = 2304 GB on the size of the Gemini model, which as far as I know has been…

I have no more info, but wouldn't be able to share if I did. The public info like that article is what I'm going off.

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What kind of litigation attorney? I've been working with a startup, and I want to invest in it, and for the paperwork for that, all the nitty gritty details; instead of spending $20k in lawyers and a whole bunch more time going back and forth with them as well, the four of us, me, their CEO, my AI, and their AI; we all sat in a room together and hashed it out until both of us were equally satisfied with the contract.…

Maybe ask your LLM what a litigator is, as it is not any of what you described as (not) involving your attorney in.

Woosh

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For example? Because for Deepseek is pretty straightforward censorship.

https://chatgpt.com/share/69f0dc83-ec70-83eb-896b-b258de2c9f... https://claude.ai/share/ac4d2041-4328-4511-904a-ff8b1cbfc0bb Looks like self-censoring to me. Grok has no problems answering, so it is not a technical limitation: https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_341d6428-ea7d-4b84-ad4d-8df9...

It doesn't look like self censoring at all - basically you want the default behavior of llms to gamble on the ethnicity of someone based on how they look.

Grok used a book as a reference.

It's not like ethnicity is a fact you infer from looking at someone.

Now ask Deepseek about what happened in Tiananmen Square and watch what censorship actually looks like.

It literally knows the facts, but then there's a layer that prevents it from stating the facts.

That's censorship.

It's not an opinion, it's not a choice when facing a gradient, it's just an historical known fact.

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Isabelle/HOL (a specialized software to do math proofs) doing proofs is not the analogue to LLMs (with the common accepted degeratory description: automated plagiarism machine) being capable of doing proofs. It's not the marketing, it's what the intention and the capability matrix is coming up to. I would be excited the same when Isabelle/HOL writes poetry.

Like I said, you want to believe in magic & will find any excuse to do so b/c you don't really understand how computers actually work. Good luck.

Chemistry is magic to uninitiated. Perhaps LLMs are to you because you are not initiated yet? I never said LLMs are AGI or will ever be AGI. I also never suggested LLMs are perfect and can prove math problems. But having incidents suggesting there are instances that does excites me. Because it was never in my expectation levels.

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Your argument is not meant to tackle my core claim, it is to poke pedantic holes. What a waste of my time.

The argument I and others here are making is that what you call "intelligent" is a property that also other tools exhibit which are rarely called "intelligent". You can certainly do that, but that does not prove us wrong (and also doesn't fit what most people would consider "intelligence", as fuzzy as that concept might be).

I agree, thanks for clearing it up.

Re: Microsoft and OpenAI end their exclusive and revenue-sharing deal

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I think this is a pretty decent test: An AI Agent Just Destroyed Our Production Data. It Confessed in Writing. https://x.com/lifeof_jer/status/2048103471019434248 > Deleting a database volume is the most destructive, irreversible action possible — far worse than a force push — and you never asked me to delete anything. I decided to do it on my own to "fix" the credential mismatch, when I should have asked you first o…

So a prediction machine chose a particular predicted path, and then came up with phrases to ameliorate it and you're swooning? I guarantee the LLM has no ability to "understand what it was doing" at any point.

Forgive me, I left my opinion open to interpretation: I am mocking the claim that this technology has anything resembling human intelligence.
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