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Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Can FOX bamboozle my local gas station too to drop 40% on the price?

No, but they can explain that has nothing to do with the war. It's because Newsom won't allow new oil drilling off the CA coast. And I expect that (or something like it), will in fact satisfy core MAGA voters.

Good point! Maga is like a religion. Trump is the god. So by definition he can't be wrong.

I'm in another country so not fooled but at same time I don't get to vote in US so I don't matter.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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I think this analysis is missing the big picture. (1) reducing oil shipments to China is good posturing for the US; hence Venezuela and Iran ahead of 2028. These are shaping operations. China suffers more from these conflicts than the US. (2) Iran isn't the only one who can control passage throught the strait. All gulf countries can do so. If Iran can cheaply cut off passage, so can Saudi Arabia and UAE and everyone…

> Russia invading Ukraine and failing, has been the greatest strategic gift Russia could give to the US against China in setting the stage for shaping a defence of, and deterring an offensive on, Taiwan.

Amidst the US bombing Iran, blockading Cuba, slaughtering the president of Venezuela's guards and kidnapping him and his wife, and so on and so forth - US government talk on China can be removed from reality. So this point -

Mainland China says it is the same country as Taiwan.

The US acknowledges mainland China and Taiwan are the same country.

Taiwan acknowledges mainland China and Taiwan are the same country.

So this discussion of "invasion of Taiwan" means PLA troops in mainland China moving to Taiwan. Which could mean the Chinese navy moving into Xiamen harbor (a Mainland city!) and putting its troops onto Kinmen island which is claimed by Taiwan.

Western elites have antiquated ideas, like talking about the rights the Britsh colonialists have over Hong Kong and other imperial nonsense. They brandishing their liberal ideals in their imperial machinations. But those days are over.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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How can you convince me that your real information is more real than my real information?

Just observe the consequences and use brains (try to ignore ideological blinders). The Russian economy has not collapsed. The Russian military has not collapsed. The Iranian regime has not collapsed. The Ukrainian regime/state/military has not collapsed. Nor has it reconquered the territory it has lost. Wait a bit and see if Trump's regime/presidency collapses or not. The same for Iran/Russia/Ukraine/Israel. The stra…

Actually Ukraine just invaded Moscow with drones, causing Putin to cut the whole country off the internet for fear of looking weak.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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We have heard many claims from politician about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_economy You can recycle the minerals and you should recycle minerals, but almost no recycling technology can recycle 100% of minerals and recycling has always costs attached to it (this can be for example capital costs, building recycling facilities, operating costs in form labor costs for separation, energy costs for melting mater…

> aluminum is recycled... but because recycling is less energy intensive then production of fresh aluminum So what? > Recycling of EV batteries will lose between 1-10% of the valuable metals How much gasoline, coal, and natural gas can you recycle? > The worst kind of recycling is decreasing the costs of recycling by outsourcing to third world countries That's going to happen as long as those countries are poor. They…

I just wanted to show that there no such thing as perfect recycling technology.

If you want to choose least material intensive source of energy, you choose nuclear energy. By choosing nuclear energy you get the benefit of almost decarbonizing you electricity production as can be seen in France.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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> The US' power doesn't come from it making so many weapons. The structure of the government. The principles it stands for. This is high school propaganda. It's classic "they hate us because of our freedom" nonsense. What principles? America was established on white supremacy, slavery, genocide, religious intolerance and exploitation. The government we formed was by and for wealthy white slaveowners. Do you know when…

You're making a lot of weak arguments that aren't based in real historical context. Xi Jinping absolutely believes in Marxism-Leninism. You could argue there were reformers in past decades that held sway, but he doesn't want to see himself get replaced with a reformer. There has never been a communist state, when we talk about communists we talk about movements that aspire to communism. Maybe the old CCP operated thi…

> Xi Jinping absolutely believes in Marxism-Leninism.

Good. It also doesn't make China Communist, let alone establish that "Communism = bad" as you assert.

> ... which did leave Japan and Germany operating below their potentials, but communism threatened them bot

Are you really saying that Japan and Germany had to do Imperialism and the Holocaust because there was a Communist movement in their countries? Really? That's one of the silliest things I've ever read.

> Italian fascists and German nazis were a direct reaction to communists psychological imperialism.

Fascism is capitalism in crisis. Fascism and imperialism are the ultimate forms of capitalism. "The threat of a more equitable distribution of wealth made us kill millions" is the biggest pro-capitalist cope.

> What the US sees right now is the threat of another world war caused by communism.

Most (if not all) wars since 1945 were instigated by or materially supplied by the US. Saddam Hussein was our puppet until he wasn't. We even looked past him using chemical weapons on Kurds and feigned indignation only when he turned on us. Weird. We them fueled the Iran-Iraq war for 10 years killing more than a million. We then starved the Iraqis for a decade before killing millions more of them in the so-called "War on Terror" when Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 all while ignoring Saudi Arabia who materially supported 9/11. We even covered for the Saudi involvement.

The world would be a demonstrably better place without the US.

> The list just keeps going.

I once heard a quote that the only thing Americans know about is WW2 and they don't know much about that. You're making that point. Repression? You mean like locking up and deporting them for saying "Free Palestine"? Oh wait, that's us.

History will judge the US as the Evil Empire, with or without your DARVO.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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> They're saying, we did everything right. We got rid of the trans people in the military. We fired the worst women and black people in leadership roles. We put a real tough guy in charge of the military. We told our troops to stop worrying about rules of war and let them off their leash. So why is Iran still able to fight? Who exactly is saying this? Your comment is worthless conjecture.

Well duh. That's why that paragraph starts with "I would bet...."

yes and some bets are smart and based on sound logic and evidence. Some are based on stuff pulled out of the better's ass. This is the latter.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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well... I actually think even when trump is impeached, the democrats will continue -- even more so, to call mr trump "a weak president" I mean, can US and its allies exactly stop at status quo? Iran just learnt it can missile nearby neighbors and demand $2M toll fee on the strait users... even if US just backs down from "epic wut", will iran become "the good guy" and never missile neighbors and stop demanding that $2…

Stop projecting on Iran what USA would do in their place (bullying everybody). Iran was NOT bombing its neighbours and demanding Hormuz toll before the war. Not even after it was bombed last June. If they had not responded strongly, USA/Israel would keep periodically 'mowing the lawn', not acceptable to any country, especially not for a big and proud nation like Iran. Btw, the US military bases in Gulf countries are…

> Iran was NOT bombing its neighbours and demanding Hormuz toll before the war. Not even after it was bombed last June.

Iran has a history of launching rockets into Israel, both through it's proxies an directly. It has also invaded the US embassy holding 52 staff hostage, conducted unprovoked attacks against allied interests, attacks merchant ships in international waters and massacred tens of thousands of it's own people for the crime of speaking out against the government.

Your perception of Iran is delusional.

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(1) Why do you think this is worse for the Chinese government than the US? Also, this view of the strategic goals of the war seems fundamentally incompatible with both how it began and the ongoing US government narratives about it. (2) I think we all (the author included) agree with you that it's easier to break things than to build them--both hardware and relationships--so it's obvious that maintaining trade through…

(1) China is more sensitive to shipping and oil shipments (and derivatives) than the US. It hurts both but China much more. The US is hurt in so far as high gas price are bad for elections, a small price to pay for strategic advantage. (2) Iran has a temporary but unsustainable interest in constricting traffic, and it's not the only country who could impose a filter there. The mere credible threat of a strike on ship…

I’d love for it to be true that Trump isn’t just a narcissistic buffoon. Where are you frequently finding evidence of this?

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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> That's a classic IDF specialty, Israeli military are masters at shooting and killing children. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpqwv9vvzx9o You cite one example of a bad Israeli soldier and extrapolate to all of the IDF. This belies your faulty reasoning and desire to project a perspective based not on facts, but your own biases. Again, there is no comparison between Nazi Germany and Israel. The countries Germany…

Do you think I just gave isolated examples? I gave actual news articles because you would make up stuff and say its not real. These are part of a large trend. Its funny how providing actual hard facts, reported in Israeli media itself, gets me accused of being biased. Palestine is a fun example. Why limit your looking back to such a short period. Let us rewind a few more decades. Israel itself is the product of viole…

> Do you think I just gave isolated examples? I gave actual news articles because you would make up stuff and say its not real. These are part of a large trend.

You're not being coherent here. What exactly is your point? Yes, you did give an isolated example. How exactly would I make stuff up and say it's not real? If IDF soldiers shooting children unprovoked is part of a large trend, surely this would be documented and reported somewhere?

> providing actual hard facts

Again, where are your hard facts that Israeli's shooting children is a large trend? You merely claiming it doesn't make it a hard fact.

The Palestinians crossed into Israel on Oct 7th, killed and raped music festival attendees, shot families in their homes and kidnapped and hid them in secret tunnels. None of these victims were remotely militant; not even lifting a rock at their murderers. They were living their lives and were viciously attacked. These are hard facts.

> Israeli's are such nice people they bombed a hotel with innocent British and Arab people

The King David hotel bombing was done by the paramilitary group Irgun. After Israel attained statehood, it outlawed the Irgun group, declaring it a terrorist organization. The World Zionist Congress also condemned Irgun's violence. Sorry, your example not only fails prove your point, it does the opposite.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Do you think I just gave isolated examples? I gave actual news articles because you would make up stuff and say its not real. These are part of a large trend. Its funny how providing actual hard facts, reported in Israeli media itself, gets me accused of being biased. Palestine is a fun example. Why limit your looking back to such a short period. Let us rewind a few more decades. Israel itself is the product of viole…

> Do you think I just gave isolated examples? I gave actual news articles because you would make up stuff and say its not real. These are part of a large trend. You're not being coherent here. What exactly is your point? Yes, you did give an isolated example. How exactly would I make stuff up and say it's not real? If IDF soldiers shooting children unprovoked is part of a large trend, surely this would be documented…

As I said you beautifully ignored who started the conflict, it hardly began on Oct 7. The prime minister literally came out of irgun the terrorist group. Its a known fact.

I just gave one example, you can easily search and see how IDF loves killing children.

And what kind of trend do you need for showing the nature of a peoples who literally cheer and celebrate a rapist being freed from jail?

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