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Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#901

If you feel the need to fix/edit your own comments with AI, keep in mind that this is not necessary at all. If someone can't figure out what you're saying, and don't care to try, they can run their LLM over it and have it summarize it with emojis, bullet points, and slightly changed content. You dont need to do that for all of us.

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Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#903

Without a technical means to enforce this, the only result of this policy will be a culture of paranoia and a lot of false positives.

I'll kindly disagree, even me, as someone who doesn't use any "Chat" tools from big three, can feel if something is AI generated. We're slowly being educated into detecting it. This is why human brain is awesome.

Every model, every computer generation has a subtle signature, and we (as in humans) can understand it.

Moreover, here is a very human-enforced place. Many of us already doesn't like to be answered by a bot here, so community is also a deterrent. Plus, having an official guideline will multiply that deterrent.

Not everything is lost. Have some faith in your fellow humans.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#904
I finished reading the thin book "Systemantics" by John Gall yesterday (thanks @dang).

I realized that the problem of AI generated/edited content flooding everywhere around us is a symptom of something wrong with the System.

It might have something to do with sensory deprivation. Here is a quote from the book caught my attention because of the word "hallucination":

> As we all know, sensory deprivation tends to produce hallucinations.

> FUNCTIONARY’S FAULT: A complex set of malfunctions induced in a Systems-person by the System itself, and primarily attributable to sensory deprivation.

(As I typed the text above on my iPhone, I was fighting auto completion because AI was trying to “correct” the voice of John Gall and mine to conform the patterns in its training data. Every new character is a fight against Gradient Descend.)

All you need is attention but the cost of attention is getting higher and higher when there is little worth our attention.

It takes a lot of efforts to be human.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#905

People aren't good at detecting AI generated/edited comments, so unsure how effective this policy will be. Though I guess there are still some obvious signs of AI speak like emdashes and sycophantic (it's not X, it's Y!) speech. Bit of a shameless plug but I wrote a HN AI comment detector game[0] with AI and most of my friends and fellow HN users who tried it out couldn't detect them. [0]: https://psychosis.hn/ [1]:…

It’s certainly hard to detect in isolation, but the thing that gives it away is the comment history.

All the AI acounts I’ve seen repeatedly post the exact same cookie cutter top-level comments over and over again. Typically some vapid observation followed by an obviously forced question serving as engagement bait. The paragraphs and sentence structure even looks visually similar across comments when you scroll down the history page.

Just look at a few of these accounts and you’ll easily be able to recognize AI posts on your own.

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=naomi_kynes https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=aplomb1026 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=decker_dev https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=CloakHQ https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=coolcoder9520 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=ptak_dev https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=oliver_dr https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=agent5ravi https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=yuyuqueen https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=entrustai https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=coder_decoder https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=mergisi https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=JEONSEWON https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=devonkelley https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=iam_circuit https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=robotmem https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=RovaAI https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=ajstars https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=priowise https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=Yanko_11 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=zacklee-aud https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=shablulman https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=octoclaw https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=zacklee1988 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=bhekanik https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=webpolis https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=claud_ia https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=david_iqlabs https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=yamarldfst https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=julius_eth_dev https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=vexnull https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=idorozin

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#906
What is meant with AI-edited??

AI can do a grate job for grammar, spell and formulation checking/fixing without changing any content. I.e. just adding as a fancy version of extended spell checking.

While I do currently not use it like that there shouldn't be any reason to ban it.

And tbh. given some recent comments I have been really wondering if I should use it, because either there are quite a bunch of people with lacking reading comprehension or quite a bunch of people with prejudice against people struggling with English spelling and grammar.

Either way using AI as extended spell checker does would help with getting the message through to both groups as

- it helps with spelling, grammar in ways where traditional spell checker fail hard

- it tends to recommend very easy to read sentence structure and information density

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#907

We've all heard the phrase "the sum of all human knowledge". I've been feeling more and more that generative AI represents the average of all human knowledge. Which has its place. But a future in which all thought and creativity is averaged away is a bleak one. It's the heat death of thought.

But it's a weird kind of average... Not the 3 from 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 but rather like the bland tv-dinner which tastes non-upsetting for most people.

It's more like a blur filter and a thousand layers of jpeg compression.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#908

For quite a while, I like use LLM to refine and fix my grammar issue, but my colleagues and professors reminds me that it was way too obvious. They said they can tolerate some mistakes in my words, but no tolerance for AI generated content.

through it isn't AI generated content if the content still comes from you

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#909

What is meant with AI-edited?? AI can do a grate job for grammar, spell and formulation checking/fixing without changing any content. I.e. just adding as a fancy version of extended spell checking. While I do currently not use it like that there shouldn't be any reason to ban it. And tbh. given some recent comments I have been really wondering if I should use it, because either there are quite a bunch of people with…

It doesn't help anyone. The user just depends on it to fix their English. And it makes a monoculture where every ESL user sounds exactly the same.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#910

If you feel the need to fix/edit your own comments with AI, keep in mind that this is not necessary at all. If someone can't figure out what you're saying, and don't care to try, they can run their LLM over it and have it summarize it with emojis, bullet points, and slightly changed content. You dont need to do that for all of us.

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They wouldn’t know what is lost in translation. Automatic translation is often far from perfect, even more so when translating single comments without context. It’s a crutch when nothing else is available, but it’s not a good way to have a conversation.
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