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Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by mapontosevenths »

ImJamal wrote: post #878
mapontosevenths wrote: post #637

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> there's bad censorhip (Iran, China, Russia), and there is the good censorhip I understand that you're being facetious here, but this is literally true. Words kill people sometimes, and in the same way that my right to swing my arm stops where your nose begins your right to say whatever you want stops where my safety begins. Or to rephrase it, nobody can have free speech at all if others are allowed to threaten your…

I would be very interested in hearing some of these words capable of killing. I have only heard of such words in fiction so I am quite surprised to learn they are real.

We've had several World Wars (so far) thanks largely to words. I'm not sure what your contention really is, except that maybe you dont like the idea of freedom coming with responsibility for the ways in which you use it.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by kulahan »

jjtwixman wrote: post #680
kulahan wrote: post #212

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Sure, it's decreasing under Trump, but to pretend the richest, most militarily powerful, most culturally influential nation on the planet somehow doesn't have any soft power is... certainly a choice.

Yeah actually we hate you. Apparently you've still got a loft of soft power in Nigeria, though. Most Europeans are now firmly anti-America.

It really doesn’t matter, the leaders who need to overlook personal grudges are the ones who do the wheeling and dealing here.

Probably worth noting that if the US isn’t at the head of the table, it’s moved to China by default, not Europe. Though their propaganda seems to be quite successful lately.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by mapontosevenths »

lucasRW wrote: post #795
mapontosevenths wrote: post #637

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> there's bad censorhip (Iran, China, Russia), and there is the good censorhip I understand that you're being facetious here, but this is literally true. Words kill people sometimes, and in the same way that my right to swing my arm stops where your nose begins your right to say whatever you want stops where my safety begins. Or to rephrase it, nobody can have free speech at all if others are allowed to threaten your…

I dont need Thierry Breton or Van Der Leyen to tell me which podcasts I am allowed to listened to, but thanks for the well-intentionned thoughts for my safety anyway.

I dont care at all for your safety, I care for mine and that of my family and I think it's fair to insist that you don't get to put my life in jeopardy because you feel like you should be immune to the consequences of your speech.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by mapontosevenths »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #641
mapontosevenths wrote: post #637

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> there's bad censorhip (Iran, China, Russia), and there is the good censorhip I understand that you're being facetious here, but this is literally true. Words kill people sometimes, and in the same way that my right to swing my arm stops where your nose begins your right to say whatever you want stops where my safety begins. Or to rephrase it, nobody can have free speech at all if others are allowed to threaten your…

You’re advocating for a censorship regime that would put me in jail for words that you happen to think are dangerous. Ergo, your words threaten my safety.

Google the paradox of tolerance. Essentially the only thing that cant be tolerated is intolerance.

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Post by FatCat1979 »

martythemaniak wrote: post #766
agensaequivocum wrote: post #764

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> I believe there is no book that should be banned from being used by a teacher for instruction This is an insane opinion. In the same way, I care about what movies, music, YouTube videos my children consume because they all can have a massive impact on a child's development.

OP posted a super short 2 sentence post and yet you managed to take that out of context and twist it into the exact opposite of what they meant. Incredible. I don't think OP is the one with the insane opinions.

OP posted a comment that said they don't think there's anything off limit, which is the natural conclusion.

Some things should not be shown to children. this should not be a controversial topic.

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Post by asgeesg »

herbst wrote: post #496
Helmut10001 wrote: post #492

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This is somewhat counterintuitive: The US is the only country I know where most newspapers and government services use strict geoblocks to prevent me from accessing US sites in Europe. Conversely, I've never had any problems accessing European sites from the US. I know this is for a different set of reasons (likely GDPR cookie law or similar), but it's funny that anyone thinks blocks like this are relevant. Most peop…

This. I regularly face geo blocks from American websites. Like literally at least once a week. It's very common for whatever reason for smaller US shops, newspapers any size and other random sites.

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Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by FatCat1979 »

intended wrote: post #618
Argonaut998 wrote: post #447

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Press freedom !== entirety of freedom of speech European politicians are calling every day to censor social media. People are arrested regularly for social media posts. Censorship is absolutely an issue in Europe and it’s only getting worse. I welcome such an attitude as this.

I think nations should add content moderation as part of mandatory volunteer duties. The online commons and tasks are too complex and absurd, and we have many people who value speech, who would be the ideal people to take on these tasks. Putting their values into action so to speak. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, so the moment people volunteer for this, they will themselves see whether the claims of misinformatio…

The last thing the world needs is a state mandated hoarde of european reddit moderators plaguing the internet. no thanks.

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Post by indubioprorubik »

pousada wrote: post #891
indubioprorubik wrote: post #858

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Because that softpower spread a toxic culture, that has poisoned western civilization from within?

What are you referring to? The US poisoned themselves or got poisoned by the people they exerted soft power over?

Look at the state of affairs that swept a cretin like trump into power, the us was rotting away ever since 1990, it needed external competition, that threatened the social fabric to stay stable. Now every utopist living in play pretend land can declare his reality absolut and ignore all the piled up problems.

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Post by FatCat1979 »

tordrt wrote: post #734
kjksf wrote: post #563

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Yes, we can. But that's not what "hate speech" is code word for. At this point in time any opinion to the right of extreme leftist ideology is considered by said leftist to be "hate speech". Examples of "hate speech": criticism of muslims (but jews are ok), or minorities, or men playing in women's sport or breast amputation of 15yr olds, or immigration. Nick investigating Somali fraud is racist and hateful. The "hate…

Where would any of your hate speech examples actually be illegal?

UK's made a fair few arrests for exactly those kinda things

The US should make an alternate internet without europeans so we can avoid them

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by mcv »

Argonaut998 wrote: post #447
pms wrote: post #434

It's a waste of resources, but please do it! The entire "European Union censors" narrative is a hoax [1], so the portal will achieve nothing, but you've got to do what you've got to do! [1] First, the EU countries have much higher World Press Freedom Index than the US. Second, once you start reading how little there is of the alleged "censorship" in the EU, you realize it's a no-brainer aiming to protect people.

Press freedom !== entirety of freedom of speech European politicians are calling every day to censor social media. People are arrested regularly for social media posts. Censorship is absolutely an issue in Europe and it’s only getting worse. I welcome such an attitude as this.

I think people getting arrested for social media posts is specifically a UK thing. That and Russia are the only European countries where I've heard of that happening.

In most European countries, you'd have to go pretty far to get in legal trouble for social media posts. It's not impossible, but that's also true in the US. There are and have always been limits to speech. Everywhere. Also in the US (and not just under Trump, although he'd definitely increasing government censorship).

* Threats

* Blackmail

* Libel/slander

These are all restricted by law, because they hurt, silence or coerce people. Hate speech does the exact same thing. It's ridiculous to call hate speech protected free speech, while threats and blackmail are not.

A far worse attack on free speech is banning or restricting criticism of the government. That is the primary reason for free speech protections, and yet that's the very thing that the current US government is attacking on an unprecedented scale. See for example recent attacks on Jimmy Kimmel and Steven Colbert. That's something that would be unimaginable in many European countries.

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