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Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

keepamovin wrote: post #656
rainsford wrote: post #548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We also shouldn't overlook the fact that the proposal entirely glosses over the implication of the alternative benefits we might realize if humanity achieved the incredible engineering and technical capacity necessary to make this version of space AI happen. Think about it. Elon conjures up a vision of the future where we've managed to increase our solar cell manufacturing capacity by two whole orders of magnitude an…

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What have the engineers at XAI accomplished? From the ground level, it seems they followed the same research all the other LLM chatbot companies did. They followed along and made a sassy mecha hitler who makes revenge porn.

XAI isn't a serious venture.

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by jalapenos »

gok wrote: post #45

> it is possible to put 500 to 1000 TW/year of AI satellites into deep space, meaningfully ascend the Kardashev scale and harness a non-trivial percentage of the Sun’s power We currently make around 1 TW of photovoltaic cells per year, globally. The proposal here is to launch that much to space every 9 hours, complete with attached computers, continuously, from the moon. edit: Also, this would capture a very trivial…

Sounds badass

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by gcanyon »

> orbital data centers

I'm not a rocket scientist, but how do they plan to dispose of all the waste heat? The ISS carefully maintains its temperature, and it's not running racks-full of servers.

edit to add: this guy, who is a rocket scientist, explains exactly why it's a terrible idea, and yes, heat management is one reason. https://taranis.ie/datacenters-in-space-are-a-terrible-horri...

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by gilbetron »

pplonski86 wrote: post #893
rainsford wrote: post #548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We also shouldn't overlook the fact that the proposal entirely glosses over the implication of the alternative benefits we might realize if humanity achieved the incredible engineering and technical capacity necessary to make this version of space AI happen. Think about it. Elon conjures up a vision of the future where we've managed to increase our solar cell manufacturing capacity by two whole orders of magnitude an…

Do we need rockets to put satelittes to the space? Cant it be done with baloons? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFieAD5Gpms

"Space" aka Orbit, is done not by going high, but by going fast.

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by John23832 »

SilverElfin wrote: post #250
darth_avocado wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He buys twitter at an inflated valuation. Runs it to the ground to a much lower valuation of $9B. [1] Then, his company Xai buys Twitter at a $33B, inflating the valuation up. Then SpaceX merges with Xai for no particular reason, but is expected to IPO at a $1T+ in the upcoming years. [3] I’m not that smart, but if I were, I would be thinking this is an extended way to move the losses from the Twitter purchase on to…

It also makes it impossible for Twitter/X to die, as it deserves. It is by far the most toxic mainstream social network. It has an overwhelming amount of far right supremacist content. So bad that it literally resulted in Vivek Ramaswamy, a gubernatorial candidate in Ohio, to quit Twitter/X - nearly 100% of replies to his posts were from far right racists. Obviously advertisers have not been fans. And it is a dying b…

Vivek getting his face eaten by the leopard while running for the "leopards eating OTHER people's faces" party isn't really something I feel we should sad about.

> Obviously advertisers have not been fans. And it is a dying business. But rather than it dying, Elon has found a clever (and probably illegal) way to make it so that SpaceX, which has national security importance, is going to prop up Twitter/X. Now our taxpayer dollars are paying for this outrageous social network to exist.

There is a difference between a dying business and and influential one though. Twitter is dying, but it is still influential.

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by KeplerBoy »

papercrane wrote: post #568
gok wrote: post #45

> it is possible to put 500 to 1000 TW/year of AI satellites into deep space, meaningfully ascend the Kardashev scale and harness a non-trivial percentage of the Sun’s power We currently make around 1 TW of photovoltaic cells per year, globally. The proposal here is to launch that much to space every 9 hours, complete with attached computers, continuously, from the moon. edit: Also, this would capture a very trivial…

Is there a credible way to cool a space-based data center on that scale?

There's not even a credible way to transfer meaningful amounts of data to and from a deep-space based data center.

What good is compute if you can't interface with it? This is where we are now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Optical_Communicati...

SpaceX may be leading in short-range (few hundred km) space-to-space data transfer but there is a long way to go for terabit/s deep-space links.

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by hwillis »

tokyobreakfast wrote: post #147
rybosworld wrote: post #70

> The basic math is that launching a million tons per year of satellites generating 100 kW of compute power per ton would add 100 gigawatts of AI compute capacity annually, with no ongoing operational or maintenance needs. Ultimately, there is a path to launching 1 TW/year from Earth. > My estimate is that within 2 to 3 years, the lowest cost way to generate AI compute will be in space. This is so obviously false. Fo…

> For one thing, in what fantasy world would the ongoing operational and maintenance needs be 0? Do you not understand how satellites work? They don't send repair people into space. This has been a solved problem for decades before the AI gold rush assumed they have some new otherworldly knowledge to teach the rest of the world.

> They don't send repair people into space.

There were five separate flights to service the Hubble telescope. It was designed from the beginning to be repaired and upgraded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STS-125

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by ryandvm »

gok wrote: post #45

> it is possible to put 500 to 1000 TW/year of AI satellites into deep space, meaningfully ascend the Kardashev scale and harness a non-trivial percentage of the Sun’s power We currently make around 1 TW of photovoltaic cells per year, globally. The proposal here is to launch that much to space every 9 hours, complete with attached computers, continuously, from the moon. edit: Also, this would capture a very trivial…

He just says shit that sounds smart and then rides the vibes to financial success, but it's not working anymore.

10 years ago when Tesla actually revolutionized the retail EV industry everyone took his word for it. Then after a few failed prognostications the nerds started to doubt his credibility, a few more years of this and the tech press started to see through it, and now he's reduced to only the MAGA-faithful falling for his Phony Stark act. The ground is coming up fast.

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by elAhmo »

protastus wrote: post #106
Buttons840 wrote: post #50

SpaceX is too big to fail. It's important for national security. I wonder if Elon wants to tangle all his businesses into SpaceX so they are all kept afloat by SpaceX's importance.

Elon can't legally financially entangle Tesla to SpaceX due to Tesla being a public company, so his hands are tied. Tesla is clearly benefiting from protectionism and its sales would collapse if BYD were allowed to openly sell in the US. Most people just want affordable, maintainable and reliable cars.

Oh boy, I have some news for you.

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by aceazzameen »

nprateem wrote: post #669
titzer wrote: post #550

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I couldn't believe that was an actual quote from the article. It is. These people are legit insane.

No it's just Musk's Big Idea for spacex to hype it before IPO. It's their version of FSD, robots etc. You've got to hand it to him, he is a bullshitter par excellence.

Musk is a slimey salesman. His job as CEO is to hype bullshit.
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