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Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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ADHD is when high school chemistry class covers emulsifiers and you remember it

But can’t remember if you ate today or not.

I have a really bad episodic memory and my sense of hunger stopped working normally in my teens. It's got nothing to do with anything else.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Presumably the University could do their own assessment to see what is appropriate? Not just rely on a note?

The US is a ridiculously litigious country. It could end up being very, very expensive if they did their own assessments, even if they hired doctors to do so.

It is more litigious than the UK, but UK universities have Special Educational Needs specialists. It would be very very unusual for a family doctor (what we would call a General Practitioner) to be willing to make a diagnosis on this, they would insist on referring you to a specialist, although in many cases that may not be a medical doctor at all. ADHD, Nuerodiversity, Dyslexia are all assessed by specialists. In all professions it is considered unethical to act outside of your area of competence...

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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I had a test once where we had to do RSA by hand (with 4 digit numbers), no calculators allowed. There was a lot of handwriting on scrap pieces of paper. Do humanities have to do handwritten essay tests in the modern world. I had to do those in middle school/high school. No idea if that is still a thing.

> scrap pieces of paper The exams I took were done in blue books where you were required to show your work.

You didn't have both? Scrap for trying out ideas, double-checking, making mistakes and then "blue books" for the stuff you hand in (with the answers + all the steps you choose to show).

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Or just operate so that everyone gets the academic benefits. My roommate in the 90s was ahead of the curve, he memorized the Cosmo quiz “do you have ADD” went to the student center, got a script that he sold or snorted, and got to take his test in a comfortable room at a time scheduled centrally. Just randomize assignments to rooms all over campus.

Oh wow snorted? Did you keep in touch how well is he doing now? I suspect he's not doing so well with the brain damage and the likely switch to other substances.

We talk every once in awhile, I actually thought about it because I bumped into him at a conference recently.

He was one of those people who are able to contain their hedonism and self-abuse to their frat-boy era. Now, he’s a grey-ish beard tech dude with an awesome wife and family.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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> Being diagnosed doesn't immediately mean you should be accommodated. This is the loophole. Universities aren't the ones diagnosing, they're the ones accommodating. The current meta-game is for parents and students to share notes about which doctors will diagnose easily. Between word of mouth and searches on Reddit, it's not that hard to find doctors in any metro area who will provide diagnoses and accommodation req…

Wow. Great to know we're basically raising an entire generation without any integrity. Can't wait to be in a nursing home where all the staff are trying to meta-game for lowest amount of responsibility rather than caring for the elderly. And believe me, I'm the last person to disparage the truly disabled or those down on their luck. But 38% in a developed country is just straight up insane. Not to mention that if you…

>>>> Great to know we're basically raising an entire generation without any integrity.

Are you talking about the generation of doctors writing the disability assessments?

Most young people are still fine. Neither of my kids ever claimed to be disabled.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Wow. Great to know we're basically raising an entire generation without any integrity. Can't wait to be in a nursing home where all the staff are trying to meta-game for lowest amount of responsibility rather than caring for the elderly. And believe me, I'm the last person to disparage the truly disabled or those down on their luck. But 38% in a developed country is just straight up insane. Not to mention that if you…

Older generations have no more integrity. Just look at the last US presidential election results - older generations were more likely to vote for Trump than younger ones. I don't think a person with integrity is likely to vote for such an openly corrupt conman. Nah, the reality is that people have always been greedy and selfish, gaming the system where they can.

> I don't think a person with integrity is likely to vote for such an openly corrupt conman.

As far as I understand, it was precisely because of situations like the one described in the article that people voted for him.

In practice, you don't need to be honest and incorruptible to win an election. You just need to be more honest and incorruptible than your opponent.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Regarding Stanford specifically, I did not see the number broken down by academic or residential disability (in the underlying Atlantic article). This is relevant, because > Some students get approved for housing accommodations, including single rooms and emotional-support animals. buries the lede, at least for Stanford. It is incredibly commonplace for students to "get an OAE" (Office of Accessible Education) exclus…

It really seems strange to me that single rooms haven't become the norm, especially in light of how many people clearly prefer them. It's one thing to share a kitchen or bathroom in an apartment, but after college, how many people ever share bedrooms with anyone except a partner?

More single young adults 18-29 live with a roommate than alone. Of course people clearly prefer living alone. But it's more expensive. Housing is already expensive, so something that makes it even more expensive is possibly not the best idea.

>In 1990 7.4% of single young adults were living with a roommate, increasing to 8.1% in 2000. From 2010 through 2022 the share was stable, reaching 8.7% in 2022.

>From 1990 through 2016 the share of single young adults living alone remained relatively stable, ranging from 6.0% to 6.8%. However, the share increased to 8.2% in 2022.

Although I think this does include current students.

https://www.bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources/data/family-profiles/FP...

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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> putting water on the toothbrush before toothpaste Wat? I had no idea I had a disability!

Same here. My logic is that my toothbrush is in the same room as a device for aerosolizing fecal bacteria, which is kinda gross but also not that different from a lot of other surfaces and environments, and that it's going to collect some amount of stuff floating around. A quick rinse is going to dislodge a good fraction of what has accumulated over the course of a day. I thought I was just being logical, but apparen…

My logic is that it's more pleasant with some water there. I just feels a bit more juicy and nice.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Isn't this how you're supposed to be doing it anyway?

ADHD is when high school chemistry class covers emulsifiers and you remember it

This has been the exact opposite of my experience. It feels as if I can't remember what happened yesterday, let alone during my school years.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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I think there's a non-malicious explanation for a percentage of this. As I grew up in the 80s, there were two kinds of gifted kids in school: The kind that would ace everything anyway, and the kind that, for a variety of reasons, lacked the regulation abilities to manage the school setting well, with the slow classes and such. A lot of very smart people just failed academically, because the system didn't work for the…

I nearly failed high school and I flunked or dropped out of college four times. I just absolutely cannot work within the framework of modern schooling. I say this as humbly as possible, but still I'm one of the best engineers I know and working on some pretty advanced stuff. And yes, I'm rather autistic. The way my brain works is just fundamentally incompatible with school. Starting from fundamentals and building up…

I learn the same way, and I have to say, learning with LLMs now has been a very rewarding and validating experience. I struggled with the traditional school system my whole academic career, and I learn in the same way you describe. These days, I can start at the top high-level concepts and with the help of a competent LLM drill down as far as I need to from there.
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