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Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by mlrtime »

jmkni wrote: post #672
LaurensBER wrote: post #351

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Moderation on Reddit has been questionable for a long time and its killing the site. To give some examples: - /r/energy used to ban everyone in favour of nuclear energy - If you post on /r/conservative you can expect to receive a bunch of bans from unrelated (popular) subs. Doesn't matter what you posted, being associated with that subs "taints" your account enough for some moderators. - /r/UnitedKingdom banned me fo…

Try suggesting on /r/MichaelJackson that he was maybe a little weird about kids, instant ban

I'd ban you too. Unless there is something new and news worthy, you'd be trolling.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by collingreen »

egometry wrote: post #800
collingreen wrote: post #250

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Dang. Dang makes this work. What an insanely hard job, done with far more grace and far fewer mistakes than I could possibly pull off. Thank you for this corner of the internet, dang (and a couple others). Edit: mobile typos

Dang?

Dang is one of the mods that keeps the average HN convo quality higher than a lot of the internet without being a power hungry dick.

https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=dang

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by mlrtime »

llm_nerd wrote: post #580
user34283 wrote: post #559

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That is what it says in the subreddit description and name, not my personal opinion of its content. There are not numerous other mainstream news subs where you would not get banned for conservative opinions. In fact I believe worldnews may be the most conservative leaning one. I know that /r/news is far more left. You don't think that's a problem with the platform?

Worldnews is only "conservative" in its zealously pro-Israel position. On a number of other topics it is very left-leaning in moderation. On immigration, for instance. As a classic conservative I actually believe in strong borders and that immigrants need to be in service of the citizens of a country and align with its values, which put me at odds with that pro-Israel but also pro-mass migration sub. Regardless, and…

TheRealDonald got banned because people don't like Trump... so what happens, they take /r/conservative. The name doesn't need to match the topic, thats just what happened, I know its not your real point but you are hooked on Trump.

Now /r/conservative HAS to be strict with modding, if not the entire liberal leaning army of redditors will either have it banned, or taken over. Is that better in your mind? Or are you just upset that it was used as an example?

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by johnnyanmac »

zahlman wrote: post #892
johnnyanmac wrote: post #877

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>your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful? Yes. That tends to fall under "hate speech": >public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation Denying existence or identity will fall under that curtain either way. That seems to be the interp…

> Denying existence or identity These are different things (which was most of the point), > will fall under that curtain either way ... but I fail to see how in either case. > Both dehumanize I don't see this, either. Again, the actual act we refer to is: > refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect Is there any other aspect of how people see themselves which would lead you to the sam…

>but I fail to see how in either case.

You're free to argue with thr reddit admins on how. It's not my call.

But as a hint, it's pretty easy to deny existence when you dehumanize someone. If you can't see that, you may need to read more history.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by johnnyanmac »

zahlman wrote: post #893
johnnyanmac wrote: post #876

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>The pull quotes, to me, very obviously did not mean what they were represented as meaning This week alone: - Trump was ranting about Trans athletes. In the middle of a meeting with Canada. - we have had 2 inditements of political opponents based on a DM-mistakenly-turned-tweet listing opponents he wanted sued. - he called democrats a Gnat to take care odd while addressing the generals of the military - he's mobilizi…

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>Don't be curmudgeonly. Thoughtful criticism is fine, but please don't be rigidly or generically negative.

>Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by friendzis »

Lerc wrote: post #777
friendzis wrote: post #637

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> Models are still very bad at determining truth from opinion, but these are exactly the times when we need the models to work the best. Suppose models could determine truth and opinion. How would anyone go about training that into the model? Even in unsupervised, adversarial, whatever training scenarios you still need some kind of framework to discern between the two. Academic manuscripts? There are decades of publi…

That's why I stated this case as an opportunity. To be able to do this you would need to have a set of examples where sometimes the dominant narrative is incorrect. This article represents one of those cases. Identifying more would be hard work and objectivity would be difficult, but I think possible. Addressing your final point, I think there is scope for doing that. Having a provenance aspect to embeddings would do…

> To be able to do this you would need to have a set of examples where sometimes the dominant narrative is incorrect.

You are sidestepping the issue here. The issue is NOT lack of such database per se, the issue is lack of impartial oracle used to build such database.

> instead of a straight text to token embedding to have a richer input processing model that takes text plus other known context data to produce an embedding holding that extra data

The issue is lack of context informing us of the sincerity behind the claim, therefore proposal is to use LLMs to infer that. When presented with difficulties inferring that context from immediate message, your proposal is to build broader context and then feed it to LLM. To do what, spit it back packed in certain language tone? Do you see the tautology here?

Discussion around AIs/LLMs is quickly becoming discussion around Bitcoin at certain points in the hype cycle. You can't solve for external effects internally. An LLM cannot tell truth from opinion, bitcoin network cannot guarantee a transaction actually took place.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by [deleted] »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #877
zahlman wrote: post #872

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> denying trans people of their identity. That's promoting hate. To be clear: your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful? That's likely the crux of our disagreement in the other subthread, then. Either that or you imagine that "denying identity" refers to something else, but I've only ever seen it used in cases that boil down to that. This…

>your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful? Yes. That tends to fall under "hate speech": >public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation Denying existence or identity will fall under that curtain either way. That seems to be the interp…

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Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by [deleted] »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #877
zahlman wrote: post #872

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> denying trans people of their identity. That's promoting hate. To be clear: your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful? That's likely the crux of our disagreement in the other subthread, then. Either that or you imagine that "denying identity" refers to something else, but I've only ever seen it used in cases that boil down to that. This…

>your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful? Yes. That tends to fall under "hate speech": >public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation Denying existence or identity will fall under that curtain either way. That seems to be the interp…

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Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by xiixiii »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #877
zahlman wrote: post #872

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> denying trans people of their identity. That's promoting hate. To be clear: your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful? That's likely the crux of our disagreement in the other subthread, then. Either that or you imagine that "denying identity" refers to something else, but I've only ever seen it used in cases that boil down to that. This…

>your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful? Yes. That tends to fall under "hate speech": >public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation Denying existence or identity will fall under that curtain either way. That seems to be the interp…

How on earth is it "hate speech" to point out that men who call themselves women aren't actually women? It's a simple statement of fact.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by noir_lord »

mlrtime wrote: post #885
noir_lord wrote: post #725

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I don't see an issue with it, if you are willing to put in the effort to swim in the cesspool that is /r/conservative you don't get to complain when other people find the smell objectionable.

if /r/conservative is a sespool, what is /r/politics? You're just pointing out your bias.

Oh I’m definitely biased, I’m not a huge fan of quasi-fascist morons hiding behind a thin veneer of legitimacy while breaking the law, electing a sex offender, destroying every relationship with their foreign allies and engaging in hilariously blatant corruption.

Nor am I fan of their voters/supporters.

At this point if you don’t oppose them you implicitly support them, the normal rules no longer apply.

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